I know what was said, I did read the post. I was offering the counter-opinion, because I think banning these pieces in any form of play is silly, for the reasons I stated. Rieekan I understand, Super Stealth I halfway understand, but I see no good reason whatsoever to give Bastila or Mace the same treatment.

And jak, banned and eliminated are 100% synonyms in this context. If it makes you feel better, though, take my first place and change all instances of "banned" to "eliminated" and it will still perfectly represent my thoughts.

I totally agree with you there. Mace already has a near 50% chance of rolling one crit when he unleashes a normal triple; rerolling two of them bumps his chances up to 77% chance of hitting AT LEAST one crit. Personally; one small tweak to even out his cost would be to remove mastery (make it normal vaapad) and maybe MotF 2.

he could then crit again on the riposte then, couldn't he?

That's a pretty good summary of what official playtests of him were like, and the kind of results I expect most people to see out of him.

If someone who has playtested a piece reads a statement that is contrary to their playtesting, why shouldn't they respond? Why is posting an opinion contrary to the first opinion considered an attack? In my years on here, 'Gamers and the WotC site (not now but before it became a ghost town) the best discussions were when people with dissenting opinions went back and forth. Sure, sometimes things got out of hand but more often than not, if the 2 posters were mature, a lot could be learned from the discussion.

@ darth jim (DJ)~I love those initials~thanx for not telling me my opinion was wrong

We play open and closed, for fun, and competitively.

the Original Post ONLY refers to playing for fun.

it's not fun to have your well build squad's CE negated because of Bastila

also not fun to have new windu move 10 spaces (motf 2) or 22 spaces (+doombot)
and attack 3 or 4 x (fliobi) with a darn good chance to crit

we just agree before we play if there are any limits to squad building, we do this a lot, because it forces you to build a squad that is different from ones just built to win. I would rather have fun with a game than win

Perhaps Saesee JM will come out to play a bit more as well.

Obviously, Durge JH can put the hurt on Mace a lot quicker.

Im sorry that my post reads that way, my post, before it was edited was in response to a member who was making accusations towards me and some of the other members. However, as Ive read thru this thread, I have seen some opinions get miscontrued while others took these opinions as somewhat personal. I stand by my original statement about opinions and what they represent(opinions).
I would never take away from a play tester, their work theyve put into playtesting and their own opinions on the played character. So again, Im sorry that my post looks as if Im saying people shouldnt stand by their opinions.

Our group had the privilege of playtesting the new Windu a while back. We played countless games against various opponents and squads. Here is the conclusion we as a group came up with.

1. The new Windu is indeed powerful. there were games when Windu could go great distances with Doombot and take out opposing commanders and figures. The Vaapad Mastery worked either very well(when he was your guy), or very crappy(when he was your opponent or when during the course of a game, he scored no crits). I personally liked this figure very much for what he did against some of the new Bastilla squads.

2. There were also many squads that the new Windu could not stand up against. I wont tell all the squads, and there were a few, but i will say that although Mace LOTS did well against BAstilla squads, and even beat the Atris Bastilla squads 1 time, The Echani handmaiden squads gave him fits!!! Tore him up. Some of the other shooter squads toatally destroyed him

3. As far as costing, there are not too many people who will not agree with the fact that the older versions of Mace, The Champions version notwithstanding, were way to overcosted, and for the most part unplayable. I asked myself, how often in 6 years have I ever played Mace.. Maybe 2 or three times. And that the was The General version

4. My other conclusion was this: If you are a person that likes to play one squad all the time, Perhaps the Rebels, or NR. You won't like Mace LOLS. there are some squads that do well and some that don't. The whole purpose of the vsets were not only to infuse new blood to the game but to make the game playable, exiting, and to give more options for various squads. Mace does this

Lastly, I like the fact that you can come on this site and express your opinion. I think You as the OP did a good job expressing your reservations. And I can see why you might feel this way. I only hope you will give this figure a chance as I did. It made me want to play more as well as actually do a custom figure . Thanks!