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Sithborg Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:55 pm Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:45 pm Posts: 3887 Guri, Black Sun Enforcer Fringe Cost: 34 HP: 110 Def: 21 Atk: +11 Dam: 10
SA: Unique Melee Attack Twin Attack Droid Human Replica Droid (this Droid character is subject to Commander Effects) Cunning Attack Protective +20 (+20 Dam when within 6 of a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor) Stealth Quick Reactions
Human Replica Droid is pretty basic. That with the name change, makes her a perfect fit for either Xizor or the new Xizor.
Though I think something is missing, so any suggestions would be welcome.
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:45 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey What about Decoy for an ally whose name contains Xizor? Is it overused recently?
The reason I ask/suggest it is because the Xizor in this set has superb melee defense (Pheromones and Teras Kasi), but no ranged defense whatsoever (other than good stats). So I'm thinking you could swap her with Xizor when he gets targetted by a ranged attack...that would also be cool because she would become the new target but would be untargetable sometimes, since most shooters won't be able to shoot her from distance (stealth). It seems like a cool gameplay tactic, and it would also be a great way to get her into the mix for her double-twin action (via Xizor's CE).
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Sithborg Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:54 pm Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:48 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey Sithborg wrote: Guri, Black Sun Enforcer Fringe Cost: 34 HP: 110 Def: 21 Atk: +11 Dam: 10
SA: Unique Melee Attack Twin Attack Droid Human Replica Droid (this Droid character is subject to Commander Effects) Cunning Attack Protective +20 (+20 Dam when within 6 of a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor) Stealth Quick Reactions Xizor's Decoy (Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targetted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.)
Added Decoy with wording.
With that addition (and the reality of Xizor's CE making her have 4 attacks), I wonder if we need to drop Protective down to +10. Maybe, maybe not; something to keep in mind. She's really solid for 34pts.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:13 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 She is solid for 34 points when played with Xizor, after that she falls apart. Is she costed to much to be played with out Xizor? Does that matter?
Easy access to Black Sun bumps will help her out.
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:07 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey I hear what you're saying: when a combo is expensive it's more difficult to use. I wonder if she needs less stuff in order to decrease her cost. I'm not sold on it either way though.
Question for Scott: How will Pheromones and Xixor's Decoy will interact? Will Pheromones trigger first, so that if the attacker succeeds on the Phero save, then Decoy will trigger? Or will you have to decide whether to use Decoy before the Phero save is rolled?
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Sithborg Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:38 am Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:45 pm Posts: 3887 The "when targeted" effects would happen before Pheremones, I believe.
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swinefeld Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:14 pm Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 4313 Location: Southern IL Sithborg wrote: The "when targeted" effects would happen before Pheremones, I believe.
Yep, I checked
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:20 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey Okay, so you'd have to decide on Decoy before and Phero saves. That's probably good, or else things could get pretty nasty.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:03 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 Quote: Guri, Black Sun Enforcer Fringe Cost: 34 HP: 110 Def: 21 Atk: +11 Dam: 10
SA: Unique Twin Attack Black Sun Vigo Cyborg Assassin (+4 Attack and +10 Damage against living enemies) Close-Quarters Fighting (+4 Attack against adjacent enemies) Protective +20 (+20 Dam when within 6 of a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor) Stealth Advanced Sensors (This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character) Xizor's Decoy (Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targeted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.)
Ok I made some tweaks after reading up on her. I think keeping Cyborg is easier the creating human replica droid. Made her a shooter and added assasin. Did this to distinguish her a bit more from the UNIV version. Since I added added assasin I dropped cunning. I dropped quick reaction for Close Quaters fighting.
Added Black Sun Vigo and Sensors. Both were mentioned in Wookiepedia. I couldn't figure out a way for her to be able to target characters ignoring cover within 6. This also should help Black Sun a bit and allow others to shoot a bit easier.
So with Xizor she is twinning for +18 for 30 each against living. Not bad, but not unheard of. Up close she would be at +22 for 30. She did stand toe to toe with Luke, so i think this ok.
Price might need to go up.
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:30 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey She's +18 for 50 with Protective 20 in place. On a melee piece, I think that could be doable...but on a shooter, I think it's too much. If she's gonna remain a shooter then I think she needs to drop Protective altogether; if she goes to melee again then I'd think maybe she can keep Protective (whether +10 or +20 is the question).
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Sithborg Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:23 pm Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:45 pm Posts: 3887 I'd rather keep Droid/Human Replica Droid. I prefer her to keep her non-living.
As for making her a shooter, it would require retooling her stats a bit.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:41 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 I don't mind keeping the Replica droid on her.
I do think that you have to keep in mid that in order for her to get protective you have to throw another minimum 30 points at her which would bump her up to the mid 60s. If you didn't play her with Xizor it becomes a mute point.
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:33 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey Yes, I understand that. But as Scott said, changing her to non-melee will require a re-tooling of her stats to some degree. 100dmg at range is not to be taken lightly. And certainly, 60pts is a lot...but 30 of those points (for Xixor) are adding +4/+10 to the rest of the squad too, so those 30pts aren't just on Guri. If she stays melee, I think she'll probably be fine with Protective 20, but if she goes non-melee then I think we'll probably need to move it to Protective 10.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:29 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:36 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 Quote: Guri, Black Sun Enforcer Fringe Cost: 38 HP: 110 Def: 21 Atk: +9 Dam: 10
SA: Unique Twin Attack Black Sun Vigo Human Replica Droid (this Droid character is subject to Commander Effects) Assassin (+4 Attack and +10 Damage against living enemies) Close-Quarters Fighting (+4 Attack against adjacent enemies) Protective +20 (+20 Dam when within 6 of a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor) Stealth Advanced Sensors (This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character) Xizor's Decoy (Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targeted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.)
Added the Replica Droid back in. Upped the cost by 4 and lowered ATK by 2. Do we need to change anything else before PT?
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Sithborg Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:39 pm Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:51 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
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Do you think that should drop the cost at all?
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:18 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey I think she's good for PT as is. She's a pretty stacked character, so she's probably worth 38. I'll be interested to see what PT shows.
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Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 Quote: Guri, Black Sun Enforcer Fringe Cost: 38 HP: 110 Def: 19 Atk: +9 Dam: 10
SA: Unique Twin Attack Black Sun Vigo Human Replica Droid (this Droid character is subject to Commander Effects) Assassin (+4 Attack and +10 Damage against living enemies) Close-Quarters Fighting (+4 Attack against adjacent enemies) Protective +20 (+20 Dam when within 6 of a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor) Stealth Advanced Sensors (This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character) Xizor's Decoy (Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targeted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.)
Changed DEF per Scott. PT?
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:10 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
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swinefeld Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:46 pm Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
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Quote: 32/45 Guri, Black Sun Enforcer 38pts (R) Fringe
HP: 110 Def: 19 Atk: +9 Dam: 10
Special Abilities Unique Droid Twin Attack Black Sun Vigo
Advanced Sensors [This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character]
Assassin [+4 Attack and +10 Damage against living enemies]
Close-Quarters Fighting [+4 Attack against adjacent enemies]
Human Replica Droid [This Droid character is subject to commander effects]
Protective +20 [+20 Damage while a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor is within 6 squares]
Stealth [If this character has cover, she does not count as the nearest enemy for an attacker farther than 6 squares when choosing targets]
Xizor's Decoy [Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targeted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.]
I used the stats as sent, but seems like there was a question of dropping Protective to 10 if she became a shooter. I suppose PT will sort that out.
I know it didn't get written that way, but Sensors (the original) should've include the character with the SA. Doesn't make sense. This one is a very slight change to call it an "advanced" version, just to fix that. What to do about it though...??
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WacoBlaze Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:39 pm Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
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swinefeld Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:43 pm Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 4313 Location: Southern IL WacoBlaze wrote: She melee or NM? Making customs for GenCon.
NM currently.
She was melee before, so I'm guessing she'll stay NM at this point.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:57 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 I just want to check to make sure that we are all aware that we are creating this piece that will not get played with the NEW Xizor we are creating from the same set?
You pay 30 to get a +4 Atk and +10 Dam or 55 for Extra shot and Accurate. I am not sure that people would pay the extra 25 points for that.
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Sithborg Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:13 am Death Star Designers Death Star Designers User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:45 pm Posts: 3887 Double Twin with +13 or +17 Atk for 40 Dam a shot will be tempting.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:06 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:16 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey Extra Attack is always great whenever you have Twin. And Decoy will give her the movement she needs to get into position for the double-twin.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:53 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 NEW - GURI 38 Xixor 30 Thrawn 32 Jabba CL 15 Mas 8 NEW -Falleen BS BG x2 34 lobot 27 New - Klatooinian Black Sun Thug 6 R7 8
Czerka SC 13 ugyx2 Total 198
Not sure to take out Guri or not. If I did you could get to more Faleen BG.
FBG are getting + 9 + 10 Base +4 +10 BLack Sun +4 +10 cunning or Opp +20 Protective Twin +17 for 50 with twin
Guri + 9 + 10 Base +4 +10 BLack Sun +4 +10 cunning or Opp +4 +10 Assasin +20 Protective +4 Close Quarters +25 for 60 with Twin
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:17 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 Evil Les Squad Grievous, Scourge of the Jedi 63 Whorm Loathsom 20 Geonosian Overseer 16 Grievous's Bodyguard Droids x3 75 Ugnaught x 3 9 Mice Droid x 5 15
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Good Les NEW - GURI 38 Xixor 30 Thrawn 32 Jabba CL 15 Mas 8 NEW -Falleen BS BG x2 34 lobot 27 New - Klatooinian Black Sun Thug 6 R7 8
Czerka SC 13 ugyx2
Map Peaceful city
This played out much as expected Round 1 - Thrawn rolls a one for INT - but still get a piece in Gambit.
Round 2 Guri>MD HIT FBG1>MD miss FBG2> GGSOJ Hit, Hit/BG Thrawn sqaud gets Gambit
Round 3 FBG2>GGSOJ miss, HIT/BG KBS thug > ugy hit Guri>MD Hit FBG1 > GGBG2 hit, hit Guri Gambit Both
Round 4 Guri >GGSOJ Hit/BG GGBG1 =Dead Hit/BG GGBG2 = Dead GGSOJ>FBG1 Hit, Miss - Pheromone save made FBG1>GGSOJ Hit/BG, Hit/BG
Called it at this point Thrawn had 68 points to 5 GGSOJ had taken 30 Dam and his lone BG had on 10 left.
This might not have bee the best test for this squad, but it did rove that with 98 points of commanders and tech Guri can pack a punch. With as much disruptive, distraction, and ADV Battle Meditation I think it is pretty much ok.
So by adding 85 points of commanders she becomes really good. But that doesn't leave much left to back here up. Paring her up with the Faleen BG who get all the same bumps from the tech and commanders seems to be a great match.
The Czerka and Mas are the linchpins of this squad. with out these it becomes much more difficult. Is the squad good. yes. Broken. No
They also have no way to deal with cloaked or SS squads except for swap.
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TimmerB123 Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:00 am Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
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I bring this up because space looks like it's at a premium on this card
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Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 4313 Location: Southern IL TimmerB123 wrote: Instead of making the new "Black Sun Vigo" identifier, would it work to just make her name Guri, Black Sun Vigo?
I bring this up because space looks like it's at a premium on this card
Space should be OK at full size like this:
Unique. Black Sun Vigo. Droid Stealth; Twin Attack rest of SAs
Lots of Black Sun pieces have Stealth, so no big deal there.
Also, BSV isn't new, Alexi Garyn has it. Thanks though. :)
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:52 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
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NEW Trench with Mobile Attack as CE as opposed to No Quarter NEW Commando Droid Officer Commando Droid Captain Commando Droid x5 Commando Droid Spotter Commando Droid Shiper r7x2 MD
Les Played NEW Xizor NEW Guri NEW Klat BS Thug NEW Falleen BG Talon IB Lobot
Czerka MDx2
Map Starport Droids right BS Left
I don't have play by play notes as I have been doing.
My perspective Facing 5 double twin shots looks tough. Then realizing that the guys only has 30 HP mean they go down in one shot from guri or i shot from the Falleen with protective.
I was bold and ran Talon up and he took 30 after a BG died from Talon taking shots. Guri took 70 damage. other FBG took 30. 1 Klat thug also died. I won on time and points by having taken out 4 Commandos. We played a bit longer after that and I was able to get Talon in a spot where disruptive was very effective.
Thoughts Wow talk about projecting power double twin with all the damage possibilities is great. Till you realize that you are facing a droid team then it drops. Double twining for a possible 60 Damage 20 base + 10 Assassin + 10 Talon + 20 Protective. with a 19 attack wowza accurate as well.....
so I think Protective might need to be dropped or taken down to just +10. If dropped maybe add in Xixor BG
I think this piece is very very tricky to get right. Boosted she is a beast. run by herself is meh. Teamed up with the Talon IB and New Xixor allows her to basically get intuition allowing her to set up the double twin.
Being a fan of the Black Sun I really like this and they finally get a powerful peice that has survivability.
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thereisnotry Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:49 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries User avatar
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:42 pm Posts: 3386 Location: New Jersey I'd really like to see the Protective be +10, rather than +20. Otherwise I think she's cool.
I wonder how New Xixor, Talon, New Guri, and New Boba would work in a squad.
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:36 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 thereisnotry wrote: I'd really like to see the Protective be +10, rather than +20. Otherwise I think she's cool.
k i am good with that
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:00 pm Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 Updated. Quote: 32/45 Guri, Black Sun Enforcer 38pts (R) Fringe
HP: 110 Def: 19 Atk: +9 Dam: 10
Special Abilities Unique Droid Twin Attack Black Sun Vigo
Advanced Sensors [This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character]
Assassin [+4 Attack and +10 Damage against living enemies]
Close-Quarters Fighting [+4 Attack against adjacent enemies]
Human Replica Droid [This Droid character is subject to commander effects]
Protective +10 [+10 Damage while a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor is within 6 squares]
Stealth [If this character has cover, she does not count as the nearest enemy for an attacker farther than 6 squares when choosing targets]
Xizor's Decoy [Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targeted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.]
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica DroidPostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:16 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
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New Fett New Guri New Xizor Talon IB R7 Brutex3 MDx2
vs Sideous, Supreme Chanc. New Vos New Asajj Poggle Drone x10 Lobot
Moramaw or what ever the war throat guy is Crumb
Fett's crew had a hard time getting targets in teh beginning with cloaked and Phantom Meanace so that limited them. Plus they are expensive to run. 55 50 38 32 175 in 4 figs Granted they can dish out the damage and probably would have won if not for the dice smiling on the seps. Vos uses Talon CE R1 Boba Gambit
R2 Guri > Lobot (becasue of bad placement) dead Xizor>Drone H/S comes back Fett> Drone H Dead Talon> Drone H dead Sid Lighting Guri 50 Dam Gambit Boba
R3 Xizor>Drone Dead Talon>Drone Dead - Disrubt Vos FP2 extra sq >Fett Crit 60 Dam Fett>Vos M/h/h/h War Throat > Drone S comes back > Vos 10 > Drone S comes back > Drone Dead 20 Dam Fett > Brute > Brute > MD Gambit Both
R4 INT Fett Move Asajj>Fett Dead Guri>Sid M/h/h/h/ 60 Talon> Sid Miss Sid Leap Assault Talon h/h/h/h Dead Vos Lighting r7
R5 Guri> Sid M/H Asajj speed >guri h/m Xizor> Asajj h/m War throat moves to postion again with drone near xizor
r6 Assaj>Guri H Dead this leaves Xizor with two adjacent drones and war throat on the way. Vos cahrging for ligting plus asajj with min dam game called.
Guri teamed with Xizor and Talon is an extremely tough piece. But the combo is fairly pricey, over half your squad. So, unless there is something that is glaringly wrong when tested with maybe TBSV or something then I think we are ok.
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swinefeld Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica Droid - STATS DonePostPosted: Sat May 03, 2014 3:26 pm Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
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Quote: Advanced Sensors [This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character]
Can't we just fix Sensors so the character that has it is affected as well? It makes no sense that it doesn't work that way.
IMO, this is a kludge that will have people rolling their eyes. You would think the range would be bigger, or something...
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Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 4313 Location: Southern IL LESHIPPY wrote: I would be fine with fixing it
I'm glad you agree, Les.
The lowest impact fix would be to just update the glossary entry to include the Sensors character as additional information.
Errata would be a more 'complete' solution, but in either case it will require players to look beyond the physical card text to get the full intent.
I can't see the set 4 design forum, so if I'm off-base in viewing the Sensors wording as a mistake, someone please set me straight. I don't want to waste time here. :)
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Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:01 pm Posts: 3058 Location: Chicago, IL swinefeld wrote: LESHIPPY wrote: I would be fine with fixing it
I'm glad you agree, Les.
The lowest impact fix would be to just update the glossary entry to include the Sensors character as additional information.
Errata would be a more 'complete' solution, but in either case it will require players to look beyond the physical card text to get the full intent.
I can't see the set 4 design forum, so if I'm off-base in viewing the Sensors wording as a mistake, someone please set me straight. I don't want to waste time here. :)
Absolutely agree. It's the way it should have been all along. (Wish we could have done the same for Coordinated Command and relay orders!)
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swinefeld Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica Droid - STATS DonePostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 7:41 am Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
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RM: Guri (UH 19)
Quote: 32/45 Guri, Black Sun Enforcer 38pts (R) Fringe
HP: 110 Def: 19 Atk: +9 Dam: 10
Special Abilities Unique. Droid. Black Sun Vigo Twin Attack; Stealth
Assassin [+4 Attack and +10 Damage against living enemies]
Close-Quarters Fighting [+4 Attack against adjacent enemies]
Human Replica Droid [This Droid character is subject to commander effects]
Protective +10 [+10 Damage while a wounded ally whose name contains Xizor is within 6 squares]
Sensors [This character and allies can ignore cover when targeting enemies within 6 squares of this character]
Xizor's Decoy [Whenever a small or medium ally within 6 squares whose name contains Xizor is targeted, this character may switch positions with that character. This character becomes the target instead.]
"My name is Guri. Black Sun wants some answers."
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I had hoped leaving Stealth undefined would save the FT. Can't blame a guy for trying. ;)
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Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:39 am Posts: 612 swinefeld wrote: +1
I had hoped leaving Stealth undefined would save the FT. Can't blame a guy for trying. ;)
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Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:01 pm Posts: 3058 Location: Chicago, IL I know this is late in the game - but I think it might benefit future use if a small SA name change happened. Instead of human replica droid, perhaps it could be "self-aware droid", or "sentient droid".
It's more usable in the future.
I specifically am thinking about vset 9's I-5YQ. That is a droid that SCREAMS to have this ability, but he is NOT a human replicant droid. With a simple name change such as "self-aware droid", it has more accurate future use.
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swinefeld Offline Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica Droid - STATS DonePostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:32 pm Master of Time and Space Master of Time and Space User avatar
Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:00 am Posts: 4313 Location: Southern IL Why not just do a Self-Aware ability and spin it differently in some small way?
Guri was special.
I might have signed off on her already, but I wanted to let markedman247 (her biggest fan) put the +3 on her. :mrgreen:
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LESHIPPY Online Post subject: Re: 34. Guri, Human Replica Droid - STATS DonePostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 9:32 am Imperial Dignitaries Imperial Dignitaries
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:17 pm Posts: 5058 In briefly reading I-5s wookiepedia entry I think trying to compare Guri and him is a pretty far stretch. Guri was pretty much if of a kid or maybe 1 of 5 if I remember right and she couldn't just be reprogrammed as mentioned in I-5s wookiepedia entry. Or she couldn't reprogram herself as in the case of 4-LOM who is also a "kicked up proto call droid". I my mind that is what I think sets her apart. She was created/programed for a very specific task and the others were not. I could see using a self aware ability or something that could be used again on characters like a new 4-LOM, IG-88, or other droids that tend to think for themselves.
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