This statement can be misconstrued as a knock against Obi-Kin and Yaddle. I know you were meaning to point out that if their built in mechanics gets used to much in the future, then the shooters will be hated out of the meta. It kinda seemed like you were saying that if Obi-Kin and Yaddle are used more, then it will be bad for the game. It probably would have been better to say their overall mechanics (ie a Yaddle like CE + shein style or RDE) would be bad for the game, not the pieces themselves. I think most people got what you were saying, so I wouldn't worry to much about it. Now onto the debate about the two big things these pieces bring to the table.

These pieces were meant to help out Jedi a ton against shooters. And from reading posts from the TN playgroup over the last couple years, this was one of the things you guys wanted. Yaddle is solely there and has the mechanics she has to help out the older obsolete pieces, which I find truly marvelous because anytime a older unused piece becomes palyable again, i feel like it has accomplished its intent and is good for the game. I don't think anyone is every going to design a piece like Yaddle that would grant Shein Style to other jedi. Shein Style is one of the most powerful defense abilities, and believe me, the designers are aware of it's effect on the meta dominated by shooters. You won't be seeing it handed out a lot.

Ranged Defense Expert on the other hand I think can and and should be used more. Obi-Kin pretty much made all the shooters in the game deal with jedi in the Republic faction at their level, forcing them to come adjacent if they ever want to hope to hit them, since SS needing a 7 is a pretty large deterrent to shooters to not even attempt a shot from across the map. Thereisnotry and myself (obikenobi1 on swmgamers fyi) were very vocal on getting this ability put in the game and we believe very strongly that it will help immensely. Shooters will still be good, because they have more damage boosts, but now they will not be able to fully benefit from that since they need to move adjacent to jedi if they want to hit, and generally the jedi have more HP and will be able to handle adjacent shooters rather than having their hp dropped prior to them getting adjacent. RDE will work both as an assist for not having Jedi need to move to attack since opposing shooters will be using their movement to get adjacent, but also giving the jedi a chance for a first strike, since they have the ability to move 8 and attack by spending a FP, whereas most shooters can only move 6 and attack.

I am glad that a lot of people like yourself like Obi/Ani, as these peices are huge boosts to jedi squads, and I hope these will prove to shift to the meta towards more balanced squads being played. Yaddle is my personal favorite from the set since she does so much to bring obsolete figures into play again in a big way.

I disagree, I feel it is the posters job to make his point as clear as possible.
notice, I never write long paragraphs, why?because the main point gets lost in all the words.
the less words you put in a post, the more people will understand the point.
keep it simple
keep it short

awesome!
+ 1million and sixty seven

this quote is probably one of the worst quotes I have ever read in my life, as it is a FACT that people can actually be bad at listening. here are some reasons why:


Nichols and Stevens (1957) offer the following list as poor listening habits.
1.Calling the subject uninteresting
2.Criticizing the speaker &/or delivery
3.Getting over-stimulated
4.Listening only for facts (bottom line)
5.Not taking notes or outlining everything
6.Faking attention
7.Tolerating or creating distractions
8.Tuning out difficult material
9.Letting emotional words block the message
10.Wasting the time difference between speed of speech and speed of thought

Robertson (1994) describes the following list as the ten most common bad listening habits.
1.Lack of interest in the subject
2.Focus on the person, not on the content
3.Interrupting
4.Focus on the detail, missing the big picture
5.Force-fitting their ideas into your mental models
6.Body language that signals disinterest
7.Creating or allowing distractions
8.Ignoring what you do not understand
9.Letting emotions block the subject
10.Daydreaming

Barker and Watson (2000) suggest the following as irritating listening habits:
1.Interrupting the speaker.
2.Not looking at the speaker.
3.Rushing the speaker and making him feel that he's wasting the listener's time.
4.Showing interest in something other than the conversation.
5.Getting ahead of the speaker and finishing her thoughts.
6.Not responding to the speaker's requests.
7.Saying, "Yes, but . . .," as if the listener has made up his mind.
8.Topping the speaker's story with "That reminds me. . ." or "That's nothing, let me tell you about. . ."
9.Forgetting what was talked about previously.
10.Asking too many questions about details.

Key issues

It is interesting to note the overlaps and differences in the above lists. Key underlying aspects about these include:
•Lack of respect for the speaker
•Stuck in own head; trapped by own thoughts
•Hearing only what is superficially said; missing the real meaning
•General ignorance about social politeness

you've been on bloomilk for a little more than a year?
how the hell do you know anything about my posts?
have you gone back to 2008, and read all my posts.
you are the same whiney complainer you've always been.
do us all a favor
stick to you Tenn house rules and get off the standard SWM site

lol, neither does Echo24's post. I am just proving that it is possible for people to just be bad listeners, point proven.

lol touche jak touche

(cough-cough) rebels (cough-cough)squad builder(cough-cough)

Can a mod just lock this topic please? I'm getting tired of seeing BS like this. The thread had some promise in the beginning, but as I've come to expect......nothing really to see here. Just ego's battling for superiority. Yeah, I'm done with this thread. I had some small hope that the originally topic that started this thread would emerge from the childish attacks...but looks like some people never change.

This is a video representation of this thread over the last few posts. LOL
click_if_you_have_1_minute

I'm all for spirited debate, but every thread is getting ugly lately. My worthless input is that I like the proposed change to the mouse droid and I love that it was taken as far as editing the card itself. looks great by the way.

I am a guild leader in other online games, and I'm looked to for correcting issues by impatient people. I feel the pain of the Vset guys. They are doing what they can to make things optimal for all players of all skill levels. You can't please everyone. Since they are the authority, we the casual to hard core players need to trust our vset leadership and be happy that we even have a method to converse and share ideas with them. It would be very easy for them to lead the vset effort as a dictatorship, but they ask for, and assess the thoughts and ideas of all who are capable of putting together a rational thought and sending it in a polite and somewhat professional manner.

As a simple gaming enthusiast, please try to keep it on topic and less about bashing each other.
[/me steps off soap box]