Would you want to face this with that 300 point Rebel build?

Activations: 18
Total HP: 920
Avg. Defense: 16.1
Avg. Attack: 4.9

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63 Warmaster Tsavong Lah
28 Dash Rendar, Renegade Smuggler
104 Yuuzhan Vong Ossus Guardian x4
40 Yuuzhan Vong Jedi Hunter x2
15 Lobot, Computer Liaison Officer
22 Advance Agent, Officer x2
8 R7 Astromech Droid
9 Mouse Droid x3
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3

(298pts. 18 activations)

I just quickly threw that together which I am sure you did with yours. The point I am trying to make is that with 300 point games the meta can change and factions that wouldn't stand a chance in 150-200 would now have a chance of being good. Don't get me wrong I like 150 and 200 as long as new pieces keep coming out that change things up, but if new sets go away this option might be the best way of keeping the game going for a longer period of time.

You are probably right. But it would be nice to see new squads produced and how those top factions deal with them.

No, Han isn't super competitive. But he is hardly the cream of the NR crop. Kyp is excellent for his cost. You're also probably right in that Wedge isn't quite as cost effective as Rieekan, although he is considerably more survivable. I don't see how Dodonna working with Rebels has anything to do with this; do you discount Mas Amedda being in Imperial squads as well? Kyle is incredibly good, the only Disruptive piece that can really get in your face and go toe-to-toe with opposing threats, not to mention all his other tricks with direct damage and Grenades. You're right in that Luke is generally not worth it, but as has been said, few NR squads contain Luke.

You also seem to be forgetting about Leia Skywalker, who has another one of the best CEs in the game, especially paired with Wedge, for only 25 points. Not to mention her utility between Force Absorb and Sense, plus Lightsaber Throw so she can even get into a fight if needed. Then there is Kol Skywalker, the some of the beefiest 38 points you can spend. Pair him with Wedge and Leia and he is the best "tank" in the game, taking damage 5-10% of the time against even the best attackers (Cad Bane connects 3.75% of the time with that combo, and BFBH 4.375% of the time).

And these are just the highly competitive choices. There are still the Solo kids, Cade Skywalker, EJA, and Shado. NR is a very strong faction. Granted, it might not be quite as strong as Republic or Rebels, but I definitely believe that it competes. I pulled 2nd place in 2 different regional events with a NR squad, playing against GOWK (using Wedge, Dodonna, Kyle Katarn JBM with Luke FS, Kyp, and a TBSV). If the game went up to 300 points, NR would get even stronger.



Back on topic, I think that the "strong" factions would continue to get better. While the "weaker" factions would get better also, I don't think they would be able to keep up. You're right, the meta will change, and the lesser factions might get a boost. But the better factions would get an even bigger boost.

I'm curious to see HOW you expect the Snowspeeder and Yobuck to start losing more when you increase the point value. You gave the example of the Vong. Ok, as pure hate, absolutely. What you may be missing is that when you start bringing 300 Vong constantly to tournaments to stave off Force users, you start seeing a lot of direct counters.

How do you expect a Vong squad to beat a suped up Rebel Commando squad, that is capable of huge amounts of damage from range? Or Republic shooters with Argyus and Senate Commandos? That one is even worse, IMO.

Your heart is in the right place. Don't get me wrong. But simply increasing the point level ONLY works if you play at a venue where people are unable or unwilling to counter hate. Vong definitely get stronger at 300, but the COUNTERS to vong that are also good versus EVERYTHING ELSE also get stronger. Its a slippery slope that isn't really changed by increasing the point level. Trust me, I wish it was.

Yeah, very true IMO...even as much as I love the Yuuzhan Vong...

I know Republic, Rebel and Seps are scary squads to face. If i am playing Sith, OR, NR, Vong, or Mandos I am scared to face them at 150 or 200. IMO if you change the point value to 300 you may not see a balance in the game change, but at least we will see different squads.

This is the issue. You think it. You don't KNOW it.

The majority of people will disagree with you b ecause your opinion is based on a lot of hypotheticals.

Opinion won't get you very far, play out a few games on Vassal at 300. The games last so much longer and in a game that often goes to time essentially you would have longer tournaments with the same factions. That would be boring as heck.

Accept people have different opinions on this, we accept your opinion but remember both are subject to change.

I do accept your opinion guys. I am just trying to advocate my stance just as you are. I have played 300 point games before and I have been able to beat Rebels and Republic with the lower factions on a fairly consistent bases. Granted I have not done it for a month straight, but I feel I have a good sense of the balance it creates which isn't much different than 150 or 200 IMO. I just don't want the game to die out within a year, so I was offering up a suggestion on how to save it when it gets boring.

All of this discussion is speculative and all of us are thinking rather than knowing what a 300 point game would look like at high level competition. Nobody who plays this game seriously focuses on squad building higher than 200 points, so how can we really know the meta for it??

As far as time limits go, That could be a problem. Although I rarely play a match that goes to the full hour time limit; I realize than many players do. Also I believe this is already a big problem with the game and there are many complaints about slow play. How much of a difference would there really be if there were more points on the board?? Either way your time is up in an hour so play fast if you want to kill all of your opponents pieces or play smart to win the game with points(which is what happens most of the time anyways)