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Roque Saber
Posted: Sunday, April 4, 2010 2:56:56 PM
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DarthReeves wrote:
I try to look on the positive side of things when sets come out. I defend characters (like Hoth) who get yelled at because I can find a spot for them. Allies gain spotter? ummmmmm wow....yeah....ya'll had better watch out.....SPOTTER 10!!! DUN DUN DUN!

Vader found luke's climbing up a pipe to be "impressive" so pretty much ANYTHING makes him excited. So I called Vader and asked about this Grievous piece.... "Not Impressive..." said he.


Lol at that! BlooMilk
brennan
Posted: Sunday, April 4, 2010 10:43:10 PM
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wannabe mexican wrote:
Wow, that CE really screws him over. No follower benefits, but not a wizard CE to make up for it. Spotter 10. I can't say I have ever actually used a spotter abillity. Now that being said, I guess this means you can give some higher hp minis spotter, which may come in handy. Time will tell I guess.


spotter is only useful when the spotter has stealth. Put grievious in a squad with the a few of the cheapest stealth shooters and he'll be OK. Not super impressed with him though...
IG-108
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 1:10:55 AM
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My short opinion on Grievous is this: Called it!

My long opinion is as such:
He's not that impressive, but that's kind of what I was expecting. Again, according to the EU, he became much more powerful as a cyborg than he ever was as an organic being. That explains the rather low stats. But he does have a low cost, which is good.
His special abilities arent' bad, but I think he definantly could have used Accurate shot at least.
At first, I thought his CE was crap. However, after thinking about it, it does have some really good uses. Though it won't affect uniques, Spotter 10 can be really useful if your playing on a close-quarter map. Plus, I think melee pieces will get it too, so they'll be doing an extra +10 damage against adjacent enemies. I'm sure that will find good uses into a squad.
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Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 5:43:51 AM
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IG-108 wrote:
Plus, I think melee pieces will get it too, so they'll be doing an extra +10 damage against adjacent enemies. I'm sure that will find good uses into a squad.


Melee pieces cannot benefit from, nor provide Combined Fire. So while, yes, they will gain the 'Spotter +10' ability, they can't do anything with it.

Your best bet is going to be to load up your squad with lots of cheap shooters, like Peace Brigade Thugs, perhaps. Or go the Stealth route with the Abyssin BST. Wicket gaining Spotter 10 is about the best I see out of it though, since the Spotter has to be within 6 squares of the enemy as well. Then you'd get the Traps, Combined Fire, and Spotter bonus all at once.

Maybe if it had been Spotter 20 he would've been worth it. As it is though, if you compare him to the Rebel Leader, who grants Spotter +20, he seems WAY overcosted, especially once you factor in the point that he's Unique and can be easily killed by Cad Bane in one activation. Unsure
Squid89
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 6:16:00 AM
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There are quite a few other Fringe shooters for 22 or less that do at least 20 damage with similar stats otherwise (IG-86 or Lando, DS). Most (maybe all unless I missed one) have only single attack, but they are followers. So, not sure the benefit of using him in a squad for his stats other than if you like the character. That comes down to using him for the CE and that is borderline for his cost. It's difficult to set up without your opponent moving out of the way to sit a non-unique within 6 and not move to combine fire. Also has to be a shooter and follower and have enough HP to be alive for the shot. Then grant +10 damage only? For all that, I would rather keep my shooter back away from melee danger and take a few extra shots on its own and try to hit for its own damage. Could be useful against the higher defense characters, but your spotter fodder will fall quickly. Also, if you load his squad with non-Uniques to use the CE, you don't have Uniques being defeated for the Impulsive Shot ability. Doesn't add up too well for me. Like others, I would have preferred a slightly cheaper pure Fringe shooter with no CE.

@Lobo - unless the stats are posted wrong, Wicket (although very suitable) wouldn't even benefit since it is non-Unique
Tirade
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 6:28:40 AM
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Squid89 wrote:
There are quite a few other Fringe shooters for 22 or less that do at least 20 damage with similar stats otherwise (IG-86 or Lando, DS). Most (maybe all unless I missed one) have only single attack, but they are followers. So, not sure the benefit of using him in a squad for his stats other than if you like the character. That comes down to using him for the CE and that is borderline for his cost. It's difficult to set up without your opponent moving out of the way to sit a non-unique within 6 and not move to combine fire. Also has to be a shooter and follower and have enough HP to be alive for the shot. Then grant +10 damage only? For all that, I would rather keep my shooter back away from melee danger and take a few extra shots on its own and try to hit for its own damage. Could be useful against the higher defense characters, but your spotter fodder will fall quickly. Also, if you load his squad with non-Uniques to use the CE, you don't have Uniques being defeated for the Impulsive Shot ability. Doesn't add up too well for me. Like others, I would have preferred a slightly cheaper pure Fringe shooter with no CE.

@Lobo - unless the stats are posted wrong, Wicket (although very suitable) wouldn't even benefit since it is non-Unique


That's a good catch, squid. Impulsive Shot and his CE are in direct contradiction. Man, Grievous is such a conflicted mini :P. His stats and SAs aren't horrendous, but that CE ruins him for me. He'd be a way better follower. Like I said over at Wizos, take away the CE, give him +2/+3 attack and lower his cost by about 2-3. He would see play for sure.
markedman247
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 7:02:15 AM
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I would have liked his CE to have been "Non-Unique followers gain Bloodthirsty." I was hoping that would have been the deal for him. He never seemed the type to leave a wounded man alone.
DarthReeves
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 7:11:31 AM
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Super stealth Arf Troopers and Super Stealth Scout troopers can be decent spotters. Nothing like boosting a Sev or a Shadow Trooper to make the opponent say, "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" (Vader Episode III)

We need "Nooooooo!"s to be in the game more.

Using Spotter plus 10, my 501st uber boosted stormtrooper Takes a shot and takes off 50 damage...

Opponent: NOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOO! (Luke- from Empire Strikes Back). hahahahahaha

Boba Fett Bounty Hunter takes his shot and...20... Loda dies with full health. "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" (Vader episode III)


Bane uses Sith Rage and double attacks Kreia, killing her in one swift movement. "You're breaking my heart...." (Padme Episode III)


Oh man so many of these to throw out there.

"Dude, don't move that Vader adjacent, that guy could kill him with a crit"
"No no i'm all right DAAAAAAAAAH" (Porkins- Episode IV)
markedman247
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 7:18:15 AM
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And the problem with that is the rampant use of Evade and other damage reducing/nullifying abilities.

I used to use Spotter with my WooFFs and Rebel Leader as they would engage the enemy in the first turn, then on the second (when giving up an AoO would be far too hazardous to their health), they would become spotters for the shooters in the back.

Sithborg
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 7:24:22 AM
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Abyssan Black Sun Thugs make decent options for Nom bombs, especially with Cad Bane.
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Posted: Monday, April 5, 2010 1:28:08 PM
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LoboStele wrote:
IG-108 wrote:
Plus, I think melee pieces will get it too, so they'll be doing an extra +10 damage against adjacent enemies. I'm sure that will find good uses into a squad.


Melee pieces cannot benefit from, nor provide Combined Fire. So while, yes, they will gain the 'Spotter +10' ability, they can't do anything with it.

Dang it.
LoboStele
Posted: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:12:24 AM
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Squid89 wrote:
@Lobo - unless the stats are posted wrong, Wicket (although very suitable) wouldn't even benefit since it is non-Unique


Doh! Crap, I missed that. I thought it was just 'followers'. Argh. They could've at least made it non-unique allies. RollEyes Sigh.
General_Grievous
Posted: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:24:01 AM
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Man this Grievous sucks it's so depressing. He was my most requested mini for the longest time and this is what he gets. So lame. Well being a huge fan I will have to swallow my pride and good ideas and find a way to field him. Hey at least he has double. So maybe mix with the Rebels? Alternatively as I'm sure some have said there is Tarkin. The nice thing about Tarkin is in some twisted way he's like a soup kitchen for pieces with lousy CEs, I just picture him standing behind a bar with Grievous, Nym, and Jabba while they all have a glass of Extra Attack. Poor guys just down on their luck.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:26:07 AM
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I would like to Thank Wizards of The Coast for making such a great game for alll of us to enjoy. It has brought alot of people together in spirit of the classic Star Wars tradition.
Now thats out of the way.....
This is my Personal Opnion.
Wizards has thanked us all for spending LOTS of money on their product by slapping us in the face with garbage. Don't get me wrong, there are some good figs in this set, but looking at previous sets, there were always atleast half a set to look forward to, but not this one. For me, I'm only interested in a few minis, which means I will not be buying a case. Its sad that this is what we got.
General_Grievous
Posted: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:38:00 AM
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Beast wrote:
I would like to Thank Wizards of The Coast for making such a great game for alll of us to enjoy. It has brought alot of people together in spirit of the classic Star Wars tradition.
Now thats out of the way.....
This is my Personal Opnion.
Wizards has thanked us all for spending LOTS of money on their product by slapping us in the face with garbage. Don't get me wrong, there are some good figs in this set, but looking at previous sets, there were always atleast half a set to look forward to, but not this one. For me, I'm only interested in a few minis, which means I will not be buying a case. Its sad that this is what we got.


It is sad but I am a junkie for plasticrack star wars miniatures. So I'll take what I can get. Though agreed lousy stats on most. However in WOTCs defense at least they put in the dejariks, that was a bold move for them. And the obscure pieces (Ley, Ganner, and that shivestian jedi he's so obscure I can't even recall his name off the top of my head haha) so points for that and for finishing the ghosts as the true "masters of the force" So while it fits. IT still stings a bit RIP new Grievous
Demosthenes
Posted: Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:42:28 AM
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I'm kind of in a weird position with Wizards, having just joined the game shortly before Dark Times came out. Dark times had lots of cool stuff in it, and then Masters came out, and there were only a handful of pieces I wanted (Ganner, Yoda, Jedi Instructor, and the Dejariks), but I might just be jaded. That said, if I can find the new Grievous for cheap, I'll pick him up, simply because it's a cool character and a really nice sculpt.
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