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Sithfan
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:26:37 AM
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I'm, at the very least, hoping for pre-painted minis at around the same scale as we have now. That way, we can use the VSet committee to make the stats and cards to go along with the new minis.
njarnagin
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:25:37 AM
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Sithfan wrote:
I'm, at the very least, hoping for pre-painted minis at around the same scale as we have now. That way, we can use the VSet committee to make the stats and cards to go along with the new minis.


Wow, that would be the ideal situation, but, a business/community deal is unlikely to happen IMO. I would imagine Lucas wants as much control over a product on the shelf as possible (even if the stats cards are provided separately). I can see Lucas supporting V-sets after a product is out of commission, but I don't see Lucas supporting community stats while actively producing a miniatures product. Still, you never know...
Sithborg
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:44:38 AM
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Why not. LFL supported the SWCCG PC and V cards as WOTC's TCG was in production.
trappedslider
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:11:12 AM
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heres why i think that any company that plans to pick the SWM game won't be doing very well on the tournament side of things.

Its been stated here,among other sites that if the mechanics are changed players won't player,or if the scale is changed they won't play. Attitudes may have changed or they may not have. And with from what i'm understanding in the above post the new minis may be restated to play,which could nudge out any trounament acitivty the new company wishs to start.



This isn't to say that folks won't buy it,I'm sure they will. It is Star Wars after all
CC-23478
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:28:49 AM
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It all depends on, to me atleast, how poor shape wizards is in...

If they need the cash bad enough, WOTC may authorize this other company's use of the D20 system...

It all depends...

I would like to see a path away from randomized and more towards standardized.

I had always wished that WOTC would sell products like the target exclusive packs, but less...exclusive and not $40.

Something like a full squad of clone troopers (a sergeant, grenadier, and 8 troopers) with a map and scenario book for $20.

Maybe we'll see standard boxes like what West End Games did...

billiv15
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:40:08 AM
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trappedslider wrote:
heres why i think that any company that plans to pick the SWM game won't be doing very well on the tournament side of things.

Its been stated here,among other sites that if the mechanics are changed players won't player,or if the scale is changed they won't play. Attitudes may have changed or they may not have. And with from what i'm understanding in the above post the new minis may be restated to play,which could nudge out any trounament acitivty the new company wishs to start.


Um, please don't talk about things of which you know nothing about. You don't know any tournament players, or anything about us aside from what you've read and reinterpreted. And let's be clear, your understanding of us has never been very flattering, or very accurate.

New company of not has very little bearing on anything you've said.

As for the issue of the mechanics, guys, it isn't a big deal. If someone wants it, they can get it easily enough, it isn't nearly as cost prohibitive as I've seen some of you with no knowledge of it make it out to be. As Sithborg already said, all we know is that someone bought the license. We don't know if they are 1-3 of his possibilities at this point, and we will not know anything until the end of the month at the absolute earliest (odds are it won't be that quick, so please don't start a new thread on June 1st saying, "It's the end of May, what's going on". As soon as anything is known, it will be posted all over the place.

@Circrush. You are mistaken. The game mechanics for Heroclix were purchased. It doesn't matter if the company goes under, intellectual property does not become free game. They bought it from someone (likely a creditor or from Wizkids/Topps itself) at some point. Game mechanics are a pretty small price to pay for things like this. WotC was offered the CCG mechanics from Decipher (and LFL which also has a significant say in these negotiations) for next to nothing (I think it was like 50K or some such) and they turned it down. As it was, they didn't want competition for Magic (Sithborg's #3) and bought the license to take it away from Magic's top competitor at the time.

Odds are a new company buying the game would want to continue it as is. Doesn't mean the others aren't possible, its just the most likely.
CC-23478
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:03:06 AM
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Thanks billiv

I'm hoping they keep the same system.

And I agree, people should calm down a bit.

My guess is, if they do make anything, it wouldn't be released till next year at the earliest.

Hopefully a new company would fix the quality control issues that so plagued newer sets (especially clone wars).
trappedslider
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:04:43 AM
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billiv15 wrote:
trappedslider wrote:
heres why i think that any company that plans to pick the SWM game won't be doing very well on the tournament side of things.

Its been stated here,among other sites that if the mechanics are changed players won't player,or if the scale is changed they won't play. Attitudes may have changed or they may not have. And with from what i'm understanding in the above post the new minis may be restated to play,which could nudge out any trounament acitivty the new company wishs to start.


Um, please don't talk about things of which you know nothing about Eric. You don't know any tournament players, or anything about us aside from what you've read and reinterpreted. And let's be clear, your understanding of us has never been very flattering, or very accurate.


Would you like to me find all of the quotes about not getting into game with a new company if parts of it are changed?
billiv15
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:09:06 AM
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trappedslider wrote:
billiv15 wrote:
trappedslider wrote:
heres why i think that any company that plans to pick the SWM game won't be doing very well on the tournament side of things.

Its been stated here,among other sites that if the mechanics are changed players won't player,or if the scale is changed they won't play. Attitudes may have changed or they may not have. And with from what i'm understanding in the above post the new minis may be restated to play,which could nudge out any trounament acitivty the new company wishs to start.


Um, please don't talk about things of which you know nothing about Eric. You don't know any tournament players, or anything about us aside from what you've read and reinterpreted. And let's be clear, your understanding of us has never been very flattering, or very accurate.


Would you like to me find all of the quotes about not getting into game with a new company if parts of it are changed?


No point, as that wasn't even my point. You are trying to stir up controversy that isn't even close to being an issue at this point, as well as trying to use posts people have made in an emotional state at the end of a game, rather than what will really happen with people. No point in arguing about this any more for a number of reasons, so don't expect another response to you.
joelker41
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:26:28 AM
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not to be a buzzkill but this game wont last much more than maybe a year unless it is picked up by an official company. SWM is a small niche game with a very small inner circle that is small enough to almost die out in the next few months. A lot of signscof the game dying came before an official announcement.

SWM simply doesnt have the size of SWCCG, HeroClix, Magic, etc. when the biggest minis forums/sites have only 1000 members and that is the signed up amount not even the posting amountyou are in trouble. Problem is also all the infighting between members/sites killed it even more than canxelling could have.

We could have nade it work if this was more of a community than it is.

HeroClix died but it had 100 times the following of minis. Sad, but true.

The same splintered groups may play for a little while but V sets wont have much impact if only 200 or so dedicated players in one or two regions of the country is all we have.

I know I will probably get blasted for thos post, but that is the real state of minis IMO.
kezzamachine
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 7:31:06 AM
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Wait... someone said that d20 is finished... do I have to send all my d20 dice back? Does anyone have an address to send the dice to? Or do I just take them back to the store I bought them from? Oh, so many questions...
wannabe mexican
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:38:37 AM
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kezzamachine wrote:
Wait... someone said that d20 is finished... do I have to send all my d20 dice back? Does anyone have an address to send the dice to? Or do I just take them back to the store I bought them from? Oh, so many questions...


I searched around and have come to the conclusion that returning them to the store you bought them from is the best bet. Come June 1st, I will head into town and hand in all my dice.
CC-23478
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:49:44 AM
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I had a similar thing happen in my area, like what Jeolker was saying about.

When my Local Game Store died - it's owners sold it, and the new guy turned it into a video game store which was outcompeted and eventually closed - most of the players stopped playing, simply because they had no place to buy newer product (heh, there was Borders, but they're a bit pricey).

I know they stopped playing because I bought 2 of the 12 players collections, and the judge - who had every set to Bounty Hunters complete, sold all 3,000 of his minis to my comic dealer for $500.

I think it'll come down to a few die hard loyalists, and then the obsessive autistics like me.

Not saying the game will die, just saying that there will be a lot less people playing.
Sithborg
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:10:55 AM
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Lets keep it on the topic, not the posters please.

This game will only die if we allow it. V sets are only one aspect.
trappedslider
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:10:57 AM
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wannabe mexican wrote:
kezzamachine wrote:
Wait... someone said that d20 is finished... do I have to send all my d20 dice back? Does anyone have an address to send the dice to? Or do I just take them back to the store I bought them from? Oh, so many questions...


I searched around and have come to the conclusion that returning them to the store you bought them from is the best bet. Come June 1st, I will head into town and hand in all my dice.


Can i have them..I need more dice for my other gamesLOL
kezzamachine
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Well, no, you can't... they've got to go back!
gold34
Posted: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:22:30 AM
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Pure speculation regarding TBD company:

Remember when Decipher created the Austin Powers CCG game to prove to New Line Cinema that they could treat a license with respect? Well, my LGS (RIW Hobbies, Livonia, MI) just got in WizKids Games / NECA's stand-alone minis games: Gremlins and Freddy vs. Jason. The figure bases looked identical to SWM/DDM, the paint jobs were great, they use stat cards to provide abilities to the players, and they're played on square-unit maps. This smells like WKG is proving that they can do three things:

* Make great sculpts
* Paint minis well
* Make good cannon-based gameplay

Also consider:

* NECA now has a short history in buying a jettisoned game and re-starting it.

* Original WKG employees now work at NECA; it's not hard to believe that some of them worked on SW PocketModels, and know SW well enough to add value to the license.

* If the company is familiar with Lucas Licensing's approvals, maybe they have the ability to get sets out quickly.

* They have an existing distribution chain... not sure if the re-booted HeroClix line has hit Big Box retailers, though.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on NECA/WKG.


My $0.02 regarding organized play:

If a company wants to quickly inject new life into the game, the company could release a fixed (non-random) pack of cards that addresses a few of the game's current concerns, by allowing 6 characters to get "alternate" stat cards:

* Activation control for the minor factions (or a way to counter Dodonna in some balanced way)

* Some speed for the minor factions

Imagine 6 stat cards (crud, even the homebrew ideas that Dean and Bill have been noodling), mass-distributed to LGS's a few weeks after the license shifts! Sounds cool, huh? It would keep me enthusiastic until a real, new set could be released (by end of 2010, maybe?).
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I really don't see NECA picking up SWMs as is and continuing on with the d20 system. I would think it's far, far more likely that, if they were to acquire the SW rights for minis, they'd use their fairly popular and already established clix and dials system. Plenty of long term WK fans and customers already salivate every time the subject comes up about how much they'd love to have Star Wars clix that are compatible with their Heroclix/Haloclix/etc. They'd probably all blow a gasket if NECA did acquire the rights and then didn't make it a clix game.

Even so, personally, I wouldn't mind if NECA got the rights because it's easy enough to remove a miniature from his clix dial and glue him to a more proper sized Star Wars minis base, and it would provide a whole new source of figures for the Virtual sets to plan new stat cards around. Most of WK's collectible miniatures have always been around the same scale as SWMs. It could work nicely.
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Posted: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:43:07 PM
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Greybird wrote:


I really don't see NECA picking up SWMs as is and continuing on with the d20 system. I would think it's far, far more likely that, if they were to acquire the SW rights for minis, they'd use their fairly popular and already established clix and dials system. Plenty of long term WK fans and customers already salivate every time the subject comes up about how much they'd love to have Star Wars clix that are compatible with their Heroclix/Haloclix/etc. They'd probably all blow a gasket if NECA did acquire the rights and then didn't make it a clix game.

Even so, personally, I wouldn't mind if NECA got the rights because it's easy enough to remove a miniature from his clix dial and glue him to a more proper sized Star Wars minis base, and it would provide a whole new source of figures for the Virtual sets to plan new stat cards around. Most of WK's collectible miniatures have always been around the same scale as SWMs. It could work nicely.


Truth!

I stopped playing and purchasing Heroclix maybe 5 years ago if I had a guess.. but I did rebase all of them onto SW Mini bases. I HATE the stupid click bases.. always have. but removing heroclix from there bases is stupidly easy as an FYI to everyone.

I think the clix bases are useful and keep things simple but all the color coded crap is annoying, and the bases are visually unappealing to me as well.

So many brave rebel pilots and devaronian BH... hahahaha
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