I really am lost at why everyone is so obsessed with the EU... It has some of the most idiotic things, mixed in with cool Force Users, and a few good back stories. So what is it that you love? And don't be vague, I want details about why you think its the greatest thing you have ever seen, and that its not just Nostalgia. Because I am willing to bet for anything you can come up with you like, I can find something in that series thats completely stupid with bad writing/plot lines.


Challenge Issued!

PS I do mean this in good fun, I am curious by all means, and I expect it to get heated, but I also expect a good conversation, where I can get more detailed understandings.

So I guess I am confused... Episodes 7/8 are just not "Force" enough for you?

Have you looked at the Darth vader Disney comics.... Its literally ALL about the Force?

So is the books Lords of the Sith, and Dark Disciple.


It seems to me you didn't like the OT either, and you were really only a fan of the books? If thats the case, jsut read the books that Disney put out, or the infinite Comic line that they have. Have you done any of that?

Let's phrase this another way.

I really am lost at why everyone is so obsessed with the new trilogy... It has some of the most idiotic things, mixed in with cool Force Users, and a few good back stories. So what is it that you love? And don't be vague, I want details about why you think it's the greatest thing you have ever seen, and that it's not just novelty. Because I am willing to bet for anything you can come up with you like, I can find something in that series that's completely stupid with bad writing/plot lines.


Challenge Issued!

howdy,
an excellent symposia question.
I am in the middle of writing a long-form essay on a similar topic.

in the meantime,
I recommend you read the following;
(R Magritte, Baudrillard, JP Sartre, R Barthes, M Seidel, W Burroughs, Scott McCloud, D Hume, A Moore etc)
or, RedLetterMedia, SoA etc...
these go a long way to explaining what stratification and schisming is observed.

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EDIT:
it can be productive to consider the question from Extrinsic (external to text),
Intrinsic ("in-universe"/meaning and semiotics etc).

also, at what point does something become a semblance of itself?
(the ship-of-theseus paradox).
at what point is something effacement?

this kinda stuff is not a new phenomena,
consider the Titanomachy Effacement etc.
M Groening et al were ahead of their time with that Futurama episode.

I will break this down for you one by one.

I don't think everyone is obsessed, I actually think they are obsessed with hating it for no reason. Which is the point of this discussion!

Second sentence, this is what Star Wars is, idiotic things, mixed with Force Users, and some good back stories. And I could not be happier about that. I like how goofy it is, its why I fell in love with it as a kid.

Third Sentence, I love the idea that its unpredictable! I love the way it goes past just the Skywalker lineage. I love how it is killing my childhood heros one by one. I loved the fight scene with Rey/Kylo. I love that Snoke was killed by Kylo. I think it jumps his character into the big villain stage, and he is almost on par with Vader. I loved how Luke was so disgusted with his decision to kill Ben Solo, that he cut himself off from the Force, and was no longer a practicing Jedi. I also think Yoda being in there was awesome.

I did not like anything about Canto Bite, I could've done without it, kinda like I could've done with out any Ewoks, or Gungans, or the love story in episode 2.

I did not care for Rose's character really at all, BUT I did love that final line she says to Finn, and it may of been one of the most heart felt moments in all of Star Wars.

I know there was something else, but I can't think of it right this second :(


I think that covers it... So, now its to you Gandalf. Break it down! I gave you 8 things that I liked about Episode 8 alone, not even the entire trilogy! so give me 8 different things that are bad writing, and plot lines in it that make no sense, within episode 8. Its going to be pretty hard if you have no knowledge of the Disney Universe, so do your homework before you come in ;) I will wait!

I still haven't seen anyone answer my question about the EU! And I agree FlyingArrow, people will and should like what they like! But disliking it for no reason... Other than you read so EU books and consider them Doctrine, is not a real reason... Its just hanging on to your past, and not accepting the future!


Again, this is not meant to incite a riot or anger people, this is a civil discussion with hopefully passionate people who want to represent their side!

@G T.G.W.
+1
well said in the middle of that last paragraph.

PT, OT, NuT, ExpandedUniverse etc,
it's all there for the n^X^! combinatorics hehe.

whoa!
I think you are rushing judgement on character assassination (its all the rage) but my large discretion is that Caedus is better then Kylo.

Caedus was a huge weak point for me. I despised his character and Jaina's.

becoming one with the force, killing mara with a dart, vergere in general and lumiya's role (i loved lumiya) were all very poorly done imo

I read that from Mark Hamill.
But than again he said the same type time for empire strikes back. Have his yep best performances playing"someone else's Luke"

But in reality Mark Hamill is just another voice, it is not as if he knows where Luke would be more than anyone else at this point. This is made up from very little backstory


I am glad you like caedus. I like his powerful vset mini since it has been a staple competitive sith piece for a long time


Addition: I guess at the moment it is very hard to compare now that I am thinking about it.
I liked most of Jacen, but did not like caedus.

You are right about kylos reasons to join the dark side.
I am very curious about it and if it is not something kind of cool it would turn the tide. Right now we have some weird Vader idolization...

didn't you hear? Mickey eliminated the EU!
frackin' rat barve!

to answer the OP Question.......the more Star Wars the better.
books, comics, video games, all help define our galaxy far far away.
new characters are interesting, and stories about the characters we know, help to fill them out,
and make them more whole.

Can I just say that I love your posts Koba! I always feel like I'm reading something incredibly intelligent and brings a smile to my face haha.

As for the EU, here is the really crazy part. I love all of it. The OT, PT, Clone Wars (cartoon and 3D), Rogue One, 7 and especially enjoyed 8. But also the EU. Books, comics, video games. KOTOR, NJO (especially the Vong those guys rocked!), Abeloth and Legacy comics! The EU rocked and for many years that's what we were going on. It fleshed out the characters, added fantastic new ones and whole new eras. And kept things alive, plus you alwasy felt like you had inside knowledge on the SW universe since it was reviewed by Lucasfilm, and made canon. Now with it all in the air, well that sucks for all of the stories we had. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy the new movies. They're great. I just don't really care to read books anymore if they are just going to be made not-canon on a whim again. But hope that explains it.