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Dead horse
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:30:04 AM
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I remember a while ago there was a lot of 1 ratings being thrown around this site. It was never very specific but I think the mods implied there was one particular member trying to lower the average rating so their squads got into the top picks. Having lucked into having a top squad way back when I first got on this site, I can understand how cool it felt to see my 66 Strafers squad over on the left-hand margin, and I'm a grown man with a job and a life. If I was a kid it'd probably have been much cooler. Still, that lowball rating stuff is sleazier than selling $2 wine in a $10 bottle.

Anyhoo... I've been working a lot of extra days a week and tired all the time for months now. As a cheap, untaxing pastime I've been making a lot of squads and posting them, hoping for feedback so that when I finally get more time to play I'm not as terrible as I have been during the occasional games I've had vs my friends. I've been noticing that an awful lot of these squads get only one rating, and that rating is a 5. It really peaked a few weeks ago, though that might have just been me spending more time making squads.

I won't be all that surprised if my squads are actually just not very good, but I have to wonder if there's more going on than that. I don't want to be negative, I just wanted to see if other people are having the same kind of experience.
Sithborg
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:46:24 AM
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Hardly. I know I the vast majority of my ratings are 5 and 6.
juice man
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:06:37 PM
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Oh no. It's five times better than a one.
dnemiller
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:57:59 PM
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no 1 is still 1.

I see plenty of them. I think mostly it has to do with my name more than the squad but oh well. It is hard to expect grown ups to act like grown ups. Really I would guess that most of the ones I recieve are grown adults who have decided I have wronged them. It is a shame that the younger teens and kids on this site probably rate squads more maturely than some of the adults.
creme_brule
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:29:37 PM
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dnemiller wrote:
no 1 is still 1.

I see plenty of them. I think mostly it has to do with my name more than the squad but oh well. It is hard to expect grown ups to act like grown ups. Really I would guess that most of the ones I recieve are grown adults who have decided I have wronged them. It is a shame that the younger teens and kids on this site probably rate squads more maturely than some of the adults.


well, no saying that you've wrong them or anything but...how else could people take out their revenge on (you) without actually BMing you with a hate note and getting banned?
dnemiller
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:33:45 PM
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LOL why is there a need to do either???

As it has been proven I have never done anything to the person you are referring to.
creme_brule
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:37:58 PM
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dnemiller wrote:
LOL why is there a need to do either???

As it has been proven I have never done anything to the person you are referring to.


sry if I (accidentaily)) insulted yhou; I serious have no clue who you're reffering to...im just not that much interlinked and caught up with the community here...anywyas...

also, never sad it was ncecary to do either but unfortuneatly that's the (sad) truth about these squad forum-ratings...people use them to ananomously insult someone, all he while still injuring the person all the same (this time via squad ratings)
saeseetiin
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:43:37 PM
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I wouldn't take 5's personal its under 4 that's is insulting most people with the right figs can build a squad that's at least a 4. There aren't that many squads that deserve less then 4 but there are a lot that are 5's.
carnorjax1
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:08:42 PM
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What about people that genuinely think that a squad deserves a one? I am not ashamed to admit I have given one's to squads that I felt would not fare well in a game, but not because of some vendetta against a person. But our pride won't accept that as being possible, it must be someone out to get me! I get fed up with the 1 drama. Is your life so empty that you get angry over one person(whom you may not even know) giving your Star Wars miniatures squad a 1? Heck, I would be glad to get a one, becuase at least that means someone looked at my squad, rather then it just becoming one of the hundreds of unrated squads. And for the people who drop the 1 bombs becuase of some kind of grudge, do you have nothing better to do with your lives? What an insignificant way of getting back at someone, it's not even worth your time.

Anyways, sorry for the rant, thought it needed to be said
StevenO
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:52:37 PM
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A 5 is MUCH better than a 1. IF the rating system was actually on a bell curve the average rating should be a 5.5 which means all that getting a 5 says is that your squad is average or a touch below. Why is it below average? Perhaps there are a few places you could make very simple changes and greatly improve the squads output; something like using Veteran Commandoes instead of normal Rebel Commandoes unless you are taking advantage of the poorer base stats.

The 1s are far from gone. One of my squads has gotten only a single rating, a 1, with no comments backing it up despite being synergistic and my inclusion of some type of game plan for using it.
joelker41
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:14:37 PM
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creme_brule wrote:
dnemiller wrote:
LOL why is there a need to do either???

As it has been proven I have never done anything to the person you are referring to.


sry if I (accidentaily)) insulted yhou; I serious have no clue who you're reffering to...im just not that much interlinked and caught up with the community here...anywyas...

also, never sad it was ncecary to do either but unfortuneatly that's the (sad) truth about these squad forum-ratings...people use them to ananomously insult someone, all he while still injuring the person all the same (this time via squad ratings)


Good grief hard to take posts seriously when they look like that lol...spellcheck my friend....wow.

Anywho its a good idea to not start poking specific people about squad ratings, poking sleeping giants (no matter who it is) isn't a good idea. You may not have meant to poke but given the historyon this site of ratings wars and constant complaining just try to avoid talking about people getting back at each other, even if it is just a question.



Anywho it is back to my original point that squad ratings are still irrelevant, my top squad in 150 was hit with three 1s the second it made it up there and it is is still up there.

If it is a good squad it will usually get rated well. I wouldn't judge squad ratings on a squad unless there is a minimum of 5. If there are 5 ratings and one of them is a 1 and the others are an average of an 8 then the rating will be a 7.4, so not so bad.

Squad ratings are worth maybe 1% of a good comment.leave a constructive cxomment, means much more than a number.
Dead horse
Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:11:39 PM
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Totally off the topic but I just saw that I posted this in two forums. I originally started to post it in Squad Ratings Discussion but changed my mind to put it here. And then I posted it in that forum too. So, sorry about that, guys! Makes a somewhat petty topic seem totally narcissistic.

I think rating a squad 1 would have been a totally legitimate thing to do if it hadn't been sullied last year. I was trying to figure out if people were doing the same thing now or if I just don't know how to build a good squad ;)
klecser
Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:05:59 AM
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The short answer is that the rating system on here isn't really accurate. This also makes the top "five" squads on here nothing near the top five squads in the game. I'm not trying to troll this thread, AT ALL, so let me explain myself:

People vote on things with a variety of different rationales. If you don't know a person's rationale, you can't possibly expect the rankings to have meaning, and they don't. Here are some ways that I can imagine people voting:

1) I'm a young player and I like this squad because it has characters that I think look cool or are cool. So I gave it a ten.

2) I'm an inexperienced player and I don't understand how this squad works, so I give it a 3.

3) I'm an experienced player who only plays casual games and I don't see a need to play competitive squads, so this competitive squad gets ranked lower.

4) I'm an experienced player that only plays competitive and only ranks competitively, so I only rank competitive squads higher.

5) I appreciate a good gimmick or an interesting combo, so I rated this a ten, even though it isn't competitive.

6) I'm an experienced player and I respect the abilities of X individual, so I consciously or unconsciously rate their squads higher because they have a good (and deserved) reputation for excellence in squad building.

I could go on. I'm not saying that those rationales are bad or wrong. I'm saying that they EXIST regardless of whether they are true or not for you personally. In all of those above cases, the rankings for a squad may not be accurate in terms of their ability to win games. Two squads that are ranked high and played by the same player may result in one squad tanking and the other doing well, or both squads tanking. Why? Because the players play style doesn't match that squad's best modality of play, and they make more mistakes.

My point is, I recommend that you not pay ANY attention to the rankings. They are not a value judgment of you as a player or individual. They are biased and inaccurate for a whole host of reasons that go way beyond the perceived complaint of the OP. That situation isn't "wrong" or "bad". It is a natural consequence of people being able to rate something when they have different experience, different personal tastes, and different attitudes.

Do you want feedback on how you are constructing squads and playing? You need to talk to other players. You need to play games. You need to get on the squad forum and say: What are the strengths and weaknesses of this squad? And you need to play the squad multiple times.
dalsiandon
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 8:23:08 AM
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I only rate squads after I've posted a comment or asked them to explain about a certain functions of the squad.

If that was mandatory it would remove alot of the junk ratings, or at least people would be forced to provide some reason for them or not leave them at all.

However I often ignore the ratings and only rate on occasion. I have gottne more than one 1, that has left me scartching my head. But the 5's and 6's don't bother me too much at all, they show a happy middle ground of not so great no terrible.

But I still try to peruse and comment from time to time. And only then after a comment will I leave a rating.

And I agree with the Teacher of the Year. There are so many reasons that an individual has for leaving a specific rating. I think about if this site had been online durign the early days of San HIll squads most of those would have gotten ones form people just because of San and because people had no idea how to run him and make him work.
klecser
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 8:40:38 AM
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dalsiandon wrote:
I think about if this site had been online durign the early days of San HIll squads most of those would have gotten ones form people just because of San and because people had no idea how to run him and make him work.


Good example Don. :)
Sithborg
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 8:44:18 AM
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And I would've been posting on every new squad "San can beat this". lol
Eroschilles
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 8:53:05 AM
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Sithborg wrote:
And I would've been posting on every new squad "San can beat this". lol


Or on every comment how "Bane can beat this. 1".

Honestly, I think the squad rating has improved in the area of comments at least. And that's the important aspect.
StevenO
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 8:55:42 AM
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I know everytime the topic of 1 ratings comes up there is the suggestion that ratings should require comments. Now that isn't really practical but on a more limited scale it probably isn't a terrible idea. A high rating doesn't really need comment but if a person is going to give a rating below 4 there really should be a reason for it and thus should require a comment to help the poster improve their squad building.
Sithborg
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 9:04:33 AM
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Again, forced comments changes nothing, really. Trust me, this is one thing I learned from www.decktech.net.
billiv15
Posted: Monday, March 1, 2010 9:17:31 AM
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I've noticed both the quality of ratings and comments getting a lot better lately. Can't help but think that's due to getting rid of some users, and some of the kids with nothing better to do getting bored with it finally. Further, the concerted efforts of a few of us to rate accurately and committing to make comments has certainly made a difference. Good work everyone. Too bad Shinja isn't around dealing with the issues, or we might actually have the problems fixed. Good work mods too, in his absence, even if you are being asked to do way more than you should have to.
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