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So, I have been thoroughly delighted at the addition of the Customs tab in the main tool bar and the excellent, excellent work of everyone involved - both the fantastic, well thought out customs, and the awesome system for viewing the customs and their abilities (you all rule!).
However, seeing UnuThul and the uber-Bane got me thinking... I am a massive Luke fan and the New Jedi Order Luke (or even going ahead into the Dark Nest and Legacy stuff) is uber... but who is actually the most uber of them all? I mean, lets start with the basics and forget the myriads of talented force-users out there... is Bane better than Luke?
Is Bane better than Luke? Answer me this!
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Hmm. That's a tough question. Bane set the standards for the new Sith (rule of two) and was renowned as one of the most powerful sith ever. But Luke eventually became one of the most powerful Jedi ever by the time of the New Jedi Order. Hard for me to pick. My vote would probably go to Luke.
There was a similar question like this a while back: Who would win? Revan or Luke? If I remember right, Luke won by only five votes (40 to 45 I think). And it was a huge debate. Maybe this one might be as big.
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i never saw bane cry, my vote goes to him
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Yes, but crying is not a sign of weakness. The ability to cry has often been used as an example of strength.
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I think Luke would win. Luke experienced the Force from the Light and Dark sides on more than one occasion, giving him a deeper understanding of the entirety of the Force. He also held on to the Light side and renounced the Dark side, which, supposedly, was extremely difficult to do.
Bane, by comparison, was dark through and through. He is the epitome of evil and wants to see the Jedi dead more than anything else. Luke did not care for the Jedi as much as he did for the safety of the galaxy, as he created the NJO to protect the galaxy. Ultimately, I think Luke's broader view of things would give him a slight advantage when compared to Bane.
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anybody read the 3rd installment of the Bane series? if so then you would know why my vote goes to Bane
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kezzamachine wrote:Yes, but crying is not a sign of weakness. The ability to cry has often been used as an example of strength. i hate luke skywalker. Luke skywalker is SOLID evidence that star wars isnt a fictional world it is just a brand name, capitalism. with out luke skywalker star wars would be completely perfect. also bane would destroy LUKE SKYWALKER. just like revan would destroy luke. luke skywalker died. it has been proven. While Revan hasn't. what did luke accomplish. nothing. we know that by the time of of his great grandson the galaxy is covered by sith agian. and under an empire. Darth Bane and Darth Revan LEAD the way. Mod Edited for language.
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And that post makes me sad.
If Luke Skywalker isn't Star Wars, than there is no Star Wars.
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Lachesis wrote:kezzamachine wrote:Yes, but crying is not a sign of weakness. The ability to cry has often been used as an example of strength. no i think it just makes him a fag, not like gay, but like a douche bag. i hate luke skywalker. Luke skywalker is SOLID evidence that star wars isnt a fictional world it is just a brand name, capitalism. with out luke skywalker star wars would be completely perfect. also bane would destroy LUKE SKYWALKER. just like revan would destroy luke. luke skywalker died. it has been proven. While Revan hasn't. what did luke accomplish. nothing. we know that by the time of of his great grandson the galaxy is covered by sith agian. and under an empire. Darth Bane and Darth Revan LEAD the way. Darth Revan is dead. Why do you think there was a Jedi/Sith war just 300 years later? He failed his mission, unless he's turned again. As for Bane, he's another example of the Star Wars power creep. Anyone from the EU would destory anyone from the movies, and the fact that Sidious had to be reborn in the EU shows a overwheming sense of unorignality. It is vastly underwheming that the prophercy went though all that only to have him reborn a few years later down the line. The EU is a mess in places. In short, as Luke is the son of the man of prophercy, he is stronger. He was capable of defeating many Vong with ease later on and Kol Skywalker was capable of holding off a Sith army single handiedly. That is a testiment to the power of the Skywalker bloodline that is right up there with the Sith of old. Bane was powerful, but he must have been eventrally suprassed, otherwise the Sith line would have not continued.
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Wysten wrote:
Darth Revan is dead.
Prove it.
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Lachesis wrote:Wysten wrote:
Darth Revan is dead.
Prove it. Because dispite going out there to search out the true Sith, they still came back 300 years later. That does not exactly sound like a success story. That, and if he was still alive, I would of imagined he would of had a continued role in Star Wars history. Nothing indicates that he was active in the univerce after he left. While there is no body, I could easily say that old age caught up to him eventrally. Even a master like Yoda could not escape it. He could be a Sith spirit somewhere if he so inclined, but again it would be a huge copout if he turned again between the 300 years and came back. It would go against everything that he set up in his own Sith War.
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Wysten wrote:Lachesis wrote:Wysten wrote:
Darth Revan is dead.
Prove it. Because dispite going out there to search out the true Sith, they still came back 300 years later. That does not exactly sound like a success story. That, and if he was still alive, I would of imagined he would of had a continued role in Star Wars history. Nothing indicates that he was active in the univerce after he left. While there is no body, I could easily say that old age caught up to him eventrally. Even a master like Yoda could not escape it. He could be a Sith spirit somewhere if he so inclined, but again it would be a huge copout if he turned again between the 300 years and came back. It would go against everything that he set up in his own Sith War. plaguis could do it. Are you saying revan couldn't. i find that a flawed statement. maybe revans still out there. shit maybe revan will be in the next legacy book to hit the stands. you dont know that he is dead making you wrong. and if you cant prove he is dead. then he is alive. and if he is still alive. He Is far more powerfull then a currently dead luke skywalker.
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Lachesis wrote:
plaguis could do it. Are you saying revan couldn't. i find that a flawed statement. maybe revans still out there. **** maybe revan will be in the next legacy book to hit the stands. you dont know that he is dead making you wrong. and if you cant prove he is dead. then he is alive. and if he is still alive. He Is far more powerfull then a currently dead luke skywalker.
There is nothing to prove that he is more powerful then Skywalker, not on a direct scale anyways. I want to see evidence of that. Nothing debating that he was not a powerful force user, just I can't seek why he would be more powerful then Luke Skywalker Possibly, I am just going off current records, just he never returned from his jouney and the Sith he intended to seek attacked the Republic. It strongly indicates that he's fallen or defected. Until the game release, we won't find out. Just I would be very disapointed if he did return to the modern era. That is bending reality far too much, I definately did not like that woman from the KOTOR era turning up many years later in the legercy series and it was the last time I took that comic seriously. As for Plagius, what? He came back?
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Isn't it that when someone is dead, they are stronger in the force? So, my guess is logically by Luke at some point dying, he actually got stronger. Anyhoo, that is as maybe because I'm more interested in what would happen if the two (Bane/Luke) ever locked swords. Or sabers.
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Lachesis wrote:kezzamachine wrote:Yes, but crying is not a sign of weakness. The ability to cry has often been used as an example of strength. i hate luke skywalker. Luke skywalker is SOLID evidence that star wars isnt a fictional world it is just a brand name, capitalism. with out luke skywalker star wars would be completely perfect. also bane would destroy LUKE SKYWALKER. just like revan would destroy luke. luke skywalker died. it has been proven. While Revan hasn't. what did luke accomplish. nothing. we know that by the time of of his great grandson the galaxy is covered by sith agian. and under an empire. Darth Bane and Darth Revan LEAD the way. Mod Edited for language. Lead the way? Without Luke Skywalker you'd never have he Revan that you love so much. (I'm more of an Exile fan, myself). If anything Revan is the shameless marketing tool, not Luke. Lucas never thought Star wars was gonna be huge, he had an idea and made a film because he liked making film. Read some interviews.
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This is how it would go:
Bane and Skywalker meet on a scorched battlefield, the corpses of fallen Sith and Jedi alike littering the horizon. Bane recognizes Skywalker's immense power in the Force and does not underestimate him, but mocks the Jedi's adherence to the lightside. Luke coolly dismisses the Sith Lords use of dun moch as he has dealt with Sith Lords before and has touched the darkside himself. However, Luke realizes the Bane reeks of the darkside and is more powerful than any modern day Sith he has encountered. Luke offers the Sith one chance to turn away from the darkside, but does not invest much hope in such a thing happening.
The battle is fierce, their lightsaber blades not much more than blurs of green and red. The clash is ferocious as Bane unleashes dark powers Luke could only dream of. The Grand Master stands his own though, as he has faced down foes that Darth Bane would have never conceived would have existed in his time. The Sith Lord drinks up Luke's pain and anguish from the battle, but cannot consume his enemy's fear or doubt as Skywalker displays none of this. Bane is slighty perturbed that such a Jedi even exists to face him.
The battle rages. Bane is powerful, both physically and in the Force. Luke is losing the edge but he does not falter in his duty. Bane scores a blow and Luke falls to his knees. Bane lifts his saber in preparation of the death blow. The Sith Lord expects a rush of fear and anger to explode forth from his fallen opponent, however he only senses Skywalker's peace and focus in the Force. Bane is disappointed that he will not receive total satisfaction for the kill. In a moment of hesitation, Bane realizes he has made a fatal mistake. Skywalker was not focusing and preparing for his trip to the netherworld. He was planning his next move, calling forth his fallen lightsaber, springing from his feet, and in a blur too fast to imagine, up and over the Sith Lord to bury his saber deep into Bane's back and out through his chest.
The Sith Lord makes no sound and he crumples forward, only a slight grin on his face knowing he has been slain so beautifully by the most powerful warrior in the history of the galaxy. At the last moment, he remembers his real name: Dessel. He tries to cry out in penance, but it is too late.
Luke clutches his wound, nearly fatal. But he would heal, like he always did and will continue to face the evils that threaten the galaxy.
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yodaccm wrote:This is how it would go:
Bane and Skywalker meet on a scorched battlefield, the corpses of fallen Sith and Jedi alike littering the horizon. Bane recognizes Skywalker's immense power in the Force and does not underestimate him, but mocks the Jedi's adherence to the lightside. Luke coolly dismisses the Sith Lords use of dun moch as he has dealt with Sith Lords before and has touched the darkside himself. However, Luke realizes the Bane reeks of the darkside and is more powerful than any modern day Sith he has encountered. Luke offers the Sith one chance to turn away from the darkside, but does not invest much hope in such a thing happening.
The battle is fierce, their lightsaber blades not much more than blurs of green and red. The clash is ferocious as Bane unleashes dark powers Luke could only dream of. The Grand Master stands his own though, as he has faced down foes that Darth Bane would have never conceived would have existed in his time. The Sith Lord drinks up Luke's pain and anguish from the battle, but cannot consume his enemy's fear or doubt as Skywalker displays none of this. Bane is slighty perturbed that such a Jedi even exists to face him.
The battle rages. Bane is powerful, both physically and in the Force. Luke is losing the edge but he does not falter in his duty. Bane scores a blow and Luke falls to his knees. Bane lifts his saber in preparation of the death blow. The Sith Lord expects a rush of fear and anger to explode forth from his fallen opponent, however he only senses Skywalker's peace and focus in the Force. Bane is disappointed that he will not receive total satisfaction for the kill. In a moment of hesitation, Bane realizes he has made a fatal mistake. Skywalker was not focusing and preparing for his trip to the netherworld. He was planning his next move, calling forth his fallen lightsaber, springing from his feet, and in a blur too fast to imagine, up and over the Sith Lord to bury his saber deep into Bane's back and out of his chest.
The Sith Lord makes no sound and he crumples forward, only a slight grin on his face knowing he has been slain so beautifully by the most powerful warrior in the history of the galaxy.
Luke clutches his wound, nearly fatal. But he would heal, like he always did and will continue to face the evils that threaten the galaxy. Winner.
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yodaccm wrote:This is how it would go:
Bane and Skywalker meet on a scorched battlefield, the corpses of fallen Sith and Jedi alike littering the horizon. Bane recognizes Skywalker's immense power in the Force and does not underestimate him, but mocks the Jedi's adherence to the lightside. Luke coolly dismisses the Sith Lords use of dun moch as he has dealt with Sith Lords before and has touched the darkside himself. However, Luke realizes the Bane reeks of the darkside and is more powerful than any modern day Sith he has encountered. Luke offers the Sith one chance to turn away from the darkside, but does not invest much hope in such a thing happening.
The battle is fierce, their lightsaber blades not much more than blurs of green and red. The clash is ferocious as Bane unleashes dark powers Luke could only dream of. The Grand Master stands his own though, as he has faced down foes that Darth Bane would have never conceived would have existed in his time. The Sith Lord drinks up Luke's pain and anguish from the battle, but cannot consume his enemy's fear or doubt as Skywalker displays none of this. Bane is slighty perturbed that such a Jedi even exists to face him.
The battle rages. Bane is powerful, both physically and in the Force. Luke is losing the edge but he does not falter in his duty. Bane scores a blow and Luke falls to his knees. Bane lifts his saber in preparation of the death blow. The Sith Lord expects a rush of fear and anger to explode forth from his fallen opponent, however he only senses Skywalker's peace and focus in the Force. Bane is disappointed that he will not receive total satisfaction for the kill. In a moment of hesitation, Bane realizes he has made a fatal mistake. Skywalker was not focusing and preparing for his trip to the netherworld. He was planning his next move, calling forth his fallen lightsaber, springing from his feet, and in a blur too fast to imagine, up and over the Sith Lord to bury his saber deep into Bane's back and out through his chest.
The Sith Lord makes no sound and he crumples forward, only a slight grin on his face knowing he has been slain so beautifully by the most powerful warrior in the history of the galaxy. At the last moment, he remembers his real name: Dessel. He tries to cry out in penance, but it is too late.
Luke clutches his wound, nearly fatal. But he would heal, like he always did and will continue to face the evils that threaten the galaxy. That's a pretty good guess.
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Good story. But, but, but...Luke kissed his sister. Twice. 
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juice man wrote:Good story. But, but, but...Luke kissed his sister. Twice. This is how it would be: Luke lays on the couch, staring up at the ceiling his feelings mixed and confused. The psychologist asks him a question about his mother. Luke hesitates, unsure how to answer... You know, forget it, I'm not even going to try with this one...point taken. Edit: Technically, SHE kissed him. So maybe, she should be the one on the couch. I'm sure she had a lot to explain to Han...
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