To everyone that thinks this will pass without an errata... Are you kidding? I mean seriously, the big talk has been about how to make melee Competetive in a world of shooters. I would bet good money that the CDO is a better support piece than any melee squad has right now... Or possibly ever! Not to mention that you can treat me as a main attacker???? He makes it so a squad that might just possible struggle against some melee builds can now wipe the floor with them.

Then theirs poggle, enough said and I also want to see an errata. I would be content with the rapport being nixed.

You also have the sniper spotter combo... Which in itself is a better range defense than any Jedi has ever had. If you don't see that then there seriously is nothing I can do to help you.

And last but certainly not least is Durge... What melee squad can compete with him. So he is a Scizzors piece, but has better movement, health and damage potential than the baste majority of melee pieces. Not to be rude... But I'm not looking forward to the designers of set 6 and what they have planned for the game. Good play testing or not...

Don't look at my post and tell me "well naboo could probably handle it", "well nomb bombs could possible stand a chance", "have you tried embo and karde?", "how about the mirror match?", "I bet if you brought more acts like like and leia you could beat it"... Are we getting to the point in this game where it takes one of the best deep striking pieces in the game to beat the best squads? (Embo and karde) Are we getting to the point to where you can only beat an NPE with other NPE's?

Answer this question, "where are we supposed to go with melee in order to "make" them compete? Yes, I used "make" with a purpose... Because right now you are going to have to play Bastilla, yobuck or Vong to stand a chance, and Vong and Bastilla are still in question. Their are going to have to be some super movement or what some will considered as over powere melee pieces in order to save them at this point.

Y'all need to check yourselves before you wreck the game I love and force me to start playing legends in order to enjoy the game again.

The Poggle rapport and changing to SD 10 has been something I've wanted for awhile.

I agree that Poggle needs Fixed (The Aforementioned SD10 and -rapport)

and that the CDO officer Needs Toned down. (Probably Raising the Cost actually, or Dropping the Rapport to 2 would help.)


I really don't find Durge that problematic though. He works just fine, but isn't broken to me. He is powerful but beatable.
Comparable to Yobuck actually, but with less movement breakers.

Also The BX commandos aren't broken on their own. They are powerful, don't get me wrong, but i have used them before and they did not compete as well as you would think.

I completely agree with everything here, except the rapport on the CDO - it doesn't actually affect the top tier stuff, as the rapport only applies to the Vanilla WOTC Commando Droids. I think a cost of 30 would be about right?

I think the problem that the CDO has is that it was designed to boost the WOTC Commando Droids, and it probably wasn't really tested outside of them.

i could buy that. Even at 30 points it would be a good piece, plus it would limit a bit more of the Support you would get.

If the idea was to boost WoTC Commando droids, then I'd want to see its CE changed so that it only affects characters named Commando Droid rather than all droids. Its too easy to intuition 6 squares with the sniper, run 12 on it's turn, use Coordinated Movement and then get a cannon shot. With the 2 CDO's in the squad in question that's 22 squares in one round before it can shot twice (assuming you can get a MD close enough and give two CDO cannon shots) with accurate for 80 damage if they both hit. I get the feeling that might be a little too much.

I also agree that Poggle should be toned down. Losing rapport would be best. SD10 would be good too but not as important imo

(Emphasis added)

I know I'm going to get flak for this, since I merely make custom stats and have never been a part of an "official" design team, but...that just sounds like a horrible way to design things. It sounds a lot like what more inexperienced custom stats designers do.

Personally, I think you should approach a piece with a goal and theme for it. It should fit in a specific niche, and have weaknesses. All of this should be planned into the design, before you make the statblock. Then it should be looked over, analyzed by a few different eyes, and changed to something that looks like it is a useful piece but which won't break the game. Regardless of my personal approach, though, designing shouldn't be simply throwing a bunch of abilities onto a piece with the hope that they'll be caught in playtesting. Where's the skill and effort in that? Not to mention, the sense?

Furthermore, that isn't what playtesting is for (in my opinion). Playtesting isn't meant to do a designer's job for xem; it's meant to catch mistakes xe might have missed. And with Vset playtesting on the decline, I hope designers have figured out that they can't rely on playtesting to do everything. Maybe one reason there aren't as many quality playtests is because of design strategies like this, which ask playtesters to do way too much.

I'm very appreciative for all the Vset designers do, but, if this is the popular design method, I'm surprised we don't have a lot more messes than we currently do.


Anyway, back to topic...



I like this idea. Poggle was initially meant to help Geonosians, right? So instead of diluting the piece's original intent, we could just raise the cost. It's a really simple errata, it keeps his original purpose the same, and GeoBombs are effectively gone, except in actual Geonosian squads, which have their own weaknesses. And, egads, maybe someone would play an actual Geonosian-themed squad for once.
(It would need to be playtested, of course, but even Daala was playtested with proposed erratas.)

Would that still include the BX Commando Droid? I'd probably prefer Daman's suggestion that it just boosts characters named Commando Droid - the only way it would restrict the gatekeeper would be not letting the two CDOs give each other shots.

I'd love this if it was 'named' commando droid!

Also I agree on the poggle nerf too, he's just so cheap for what he does. Only downside is the other living seps wouldn't get his rapport :(

Since boosting WotC Commando Droids was the design intent, and they got through playtesting by being paired with multiple WotC Commando Droids, that seems like a reasonable suggestion. If Coordinated Movement and the cannon shot only worked for WotC Commando Droids.