Well we are at an impasse, I believe tat if an army is an auto win against all armies except armies that have built in specific counters, than it should be changed. It is no fun to auto lose.

Point being you make a great Talon Squad, no built in counter, but disruptive is there. You still lose. You bring in Mace and GOWK, you lose, you bring in a good Vader you lose. etc etc.

I don't believe that pieces should let their army be an auto win if both armies are close to top tier armies.

Better strategy/play ought to mean soemthing

It isn't the drones that are the auto win, it is what comes with them. The drones are just auto damage and extra activations.

--D.C.A.S.P.--
56 Durge on Speeder
43 Cad Bane, Bounty Hunter
35 Asajj Ventress, Nightsister
27 Lobot
10 San Hill
9 Poggle the Lesser
20 Geonosian Drone x10

Preferred Reinforcements:
(Lobot) 8 Muun Tactics Broker
(Lobot) 9 Mouse Droid x3
(Lobot) 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist

(200pts. 21 activations)


--Speedy Bane is BX--
56 Durge on Speeder
43 Cad Bane, Bounty Hunter
27 Lobot
16 BX Commando Droid Spotter
15 BX Commando Droid Sniper
10 San Hill
9 Poggle the Lesser
24 Geonosian Drone x12

Preferred Reinforcements:
(Lobot) 8 Muun Tactics Broker
(Lobot) 9 Mouse Droid x3
(Lobot) 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist

(200pts. 24 activations)

I'm thinking general Geonosian squads, too. His revive CE would ensure that Poggle is used in any Geonosian-themed squads, even after a drastic errata. (And Geo-themed squads are becoming more of a possibility as more pieces are released.)
That's another different between Poggle and the Ugnaught Boss. Poggle will cost less, AND he has a revival CE. The closest comparison is Leia, Hoth Commander, and she costs 19 points. Considering that, 9 points is a steal, even if Poggle's CE is more restrictive than Leia's.

Regardless, I think playtesting should be done before any errata is released.

[Sorry if this is jumbled. I'm a bit tired. ]

Completely agree! They can do 20 dmg, they cost 2 and can be used to kill off the MTB if you are using him... Bonkers!

Leia Hoth Commander is bad comparison as hers applies to a host of really solid non-unique pieces in both rebels and fringe while Poggle affects probably one of the worst sub-factions in the game other than the drones. How many Geonosian elite warriors or sonic cannons has anyone played against? Ever? Also the rapport for living separatists actually helps out the rest of their unusable living garbage. Another thing people aren't seeing is that their self destruct isn't an auto damage dealer as easily as some would think. With the return to life CE it's a 75% chance that you will actually be able to trigger them, then on too of that if you pull the Munn tactics argument then try bringing that against another separatist team with San/Nute or a Vong team with reinforcements on 1. Another strong reason why the MTB is not a sure thing. The only guaranteed way to trigger them is the overkill method of pawning, or Dooku's CE who actually needs the help at his cost level. I hear that people don't like them and find them broken and typically the majority wins in this sort of thing so I'm sure my words are going to go unheard. I just don't see what's really that bad with them, they are easy to shut down, plenty of area attacks take out swarms of them, and they aren't even reliable to trigger. It also does set a precedent for future erratas of whatever people don't like at the time. I really think they have a place in the game and if it is decided to change them I hope they are somehow still playable, which currently if you drop the rapport and change to SD10 they will absolutely not be.

Also by not having won I specifically mean gencon, if they are beyond broken and an auto-win type squad shouldn't they be in every gencon winning squad? They may be on the cheap side as far as the the auto damage potentially goes, but it's not unbeatably cheap. Nowhere near the scale of SSM, Strafe, Thrawn, Dalla

That +1

Let's be real here... The geonosions weren't exactly the most intelligent I species. Nor were they the best fighters... So when you say that "Poggle affects one of the worst sub-factions in the game other than the drones"... Personally I think that's fitting

It was a joke, lol, but I think battle droids and storm troopers would be the exception.

General grievous did mention some counters... some are not viable counters at all.

Why was Poggle meant to be tier 1 anyway? that is the biggest problem of all. Poggle, a 9 point piece meant to make an army tier 1?

Besides that it is Poggle?

From what I see the complaint is that Poggle sets up an NPE. It is literally an NPE during the squad designing process. While I am designing a squad if I have to literally thinik to myself "what am I going to do about little Pogger the Lesser and the possibility of a swarm of 2 pt sd 20 bombs" than I have already started the gaming experience with a negative.

Let alone when you set up and see 28 activations, temp control, everyone else has twin and strafe....

Its disheartening at every level (to me) squad designing and playing

It limits what can be competitive to the point where we are seeing a lot of the same 10 squads being ran over and over with little changes here or there to make it seem unique.

Here is the Thing, When WOTC was in control of the game, that same principal happened. When a Squad was competitive you saw several of that squad at most major events. Not unusual for this type of game. For the most part a few duplicates are going to happen but you will see a lot more variation with the Meta Right now. Sure some things are not competitive but that is the nature of a miniatures game.