Please edit your post. Such foul language is against the Code of Conduct here on Bloomilk.


Besides....not so bad, honestly. The game had taken a turn for the worst, IMO, the last few sets. Dark Times is a breath of fresh air in terms of game development with abilities and such. Maybe if they'd had this type of game-changing new ideas a few sets ago, it would've stayed alive better. Rob just got too cookie-cutter with everything.

And they didn't really bring in a new design guy just for two sets. They basically took Peter, who was already working on D&D and several other things at WOTC, and just asked him to oversee these last two sets of the game. He's had some input, but Rob probably did a lot of the initial work, making Peter's involvement fairly minimal I would assume.

Don't worry about things too much though...Dean and Jim (aka Moses) have been sort of expecting (no, they didn't know, just suspected) this was coming, and things are already in motion to make sure the game continues to live on. A lot of contingency plans have been tossed around. Will mean more work for us, the community, but we should be able to keep things going just as strong as ever.

Just stayed tuned to the forums here at Bloomilk and over at SWMGamers too to see how things shape up.

how much do you think the mechanics cost? maybe we could all pitch in and see where we could go from there.

$150,000 a year + a % of the gross sales, or whatever they want to charge (if they want to allow someone to use it).

I really have no idea, but I really don't think it's something they would let go of at all, or for cheap, or out of the goodness of their hearts.

Well if this isn't a total kick in the balls, I don't know what is!
I have been playing this game since right after RS, and to me, that was a very boring set. I stuck around, and sure enough, each set got better and better. I read someone say that this game took a turn for the worse in the last few sets, and i have to tell you, that statement couldn't be more far away from the truth. Ever since the original designer left, we have been blessed with great characters, new stats and great looking minis. So no, I will disagree, This game took a turn for the best.
I understand the economic situation. one of my LGS's is an exclusive WoTC distributor, he gets his boosters for 9.13 a pack. he sells them for $12.99, even older sets like Clone Strike and CoTF. You go to other stores, Books A Million, Borders, My other LGS, Target etc, and they are selling them for 14.99 and up. Alot of these boosters don't get bought because of the inflated cost, thats about 55% increase from a whole sale point of view. Now not all stores get there Boosters at 9$ and change, but I can promise you, they are paying atleast $10.50 for boosters at whole sale.
I'm not saying that the stores are to blame, because that would just be silly. But the maximizing of profit, especially in the 'Dark Times', has what has really hurt this game, Obviously, because the gentleman dropping the Bomb said it was because the "Economic Crisis".
This is a very sad day, and I believe that the chances of another line picking up SWM is slim to none. That Kills me even more. Hasbro can easily continue this Line, but they need a creative team to push out everything that Wizos has created in the last few years. Hasbro is the key to this.

Umm...the original designer, Rob Watkins, worked on every set up through Dark Times. Galaxy at War was almost 100% Rob's design. Dark Times is about 50/50 Rob and Peter Lee (the new 'designer'). It's evident from this news, plus the interview with Peter Lee on The Holocron, that he actually didn't have THAT much to do with the design of the game in these last couple sets. He basically replaced Rob just to baby-sit the line through the end of it's life.

When I said 'the last few sets' I was referring to GAW and before. If you look at those, you can see things starting to get stale. Cookie-cutter designs with Twin, Greater Mobile, etc. Copying of CEs from one faction to another. Leaving out Affinity for no reason at all. Lots of little things that just show a lack of real care for the direction of the game. Dark Times is a total turn around from that, IMO and many others that I've spoke with. That's what I was trying to say.




Well, that's great that your LGS does that for you, but I can't find anywhere local that gives deals that good. The large majority of places will charge the $15 because that's what WOTC suggested to sell them at. The price the stores charge to sell the boosters is not why the game has gone away. Stores have bills to pay, and they require that profit margin in order to stay in business. Just because they only paid $10 a booster, doesn't mean they can sell it for $10.01 and everything will be OK. They have to make enough profit to stay open. If a store continually sells stuff at a rate that is too cheap, for too long, then they will eventually go under, unless they are getting a TON of business.

FYI Dean made a post at Gamers everyone should read:
http://www.swmgamers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=8335&start=0

Just because WotC has dropped SWM doesn't mean the COMmunity is going to give up. We've known for a little over a week that the game is dead but we won't give up for the future of the game, even if it is 100% fan created. We're already working on getting Regionals and GenCon set up, so even though WotC won't have anything to do with these we will get them done.

I see what you are saying Lobo, and I agree with you to a certain extent.
from where I stand, I have never played a CCG or Strategic Board game (other then Risk or Heroes Quest when I was kid), SWM was the first game I ever got into of the Genre, and I was reluctant to even get involved into the game, becuase I didn't think it was my 'scene'. I'm very happy that I was wrong, because i love this game very much, my wallet can tell you how much I love this game too.
I thought one of the designers left right after making GOWK, so my bad for the misunderstanding if thats not the case.
I will continue to play this game, but it will be hard to stay dedicated as I am now with no new pieces coming out after MoTF. What will happen to great websites like this one where we can BS all day about minis and nonsensical topics? Alot will lose interest, and that is the end of our community. Its still a sad day any way you slice it. Axis and Allies looks like a fun game, and i'm afraid to get involved in that, because what if the plug gets pulled on that too? Warhammer 40K?.....too expensive.

What would plan B be?

Well, I'm most certainly grateful For DTs.

well... pretty disappointing that I could possibly never see a new yuuzhan vong character...

at least there's plenty of figures, resources, and game ideas to still make it competitive and fun for years to come.