Propery run Nom Bombs with Cad Bane (and quire literally 20 activations) are a fun sleeper possibility. Disruptive seems to have slightly lessened in the current Meta so they have more of a shot now. Tier 1? No. 1.5? Cad gives them the dominant shooter they never had so they are close. Not quite 1.5.

Nom presents interesting matchups with the lancer and YoBuck if you protect Nom.

Cad with Imps is not that strong IMO. You are at 105 with cad, thrawn, Ozzel, and Mas. After door control, swappers, and maybe Nyna you are left with maybe 50 more points worth of attackers. All General skywalker and YoBuck (the current 200 meta leaders IMO) have to do is take out the swappers then single out Cad. Trading YoBuck for dead swappers and 20 on Cad is perfect when Skywalker can put 60 on him without blinking.

Cad with Imps will be tough if you don't know how to fight him, but he is FAR from the best 200 point concept.

Jaina, Leia, Han in Storm Trooper, and 4 Ossus Guardians make for quite a bit of pain. They move 12 and then twin you... re-roll on the armor saves...I love the Vong

hahahaha yeah I know. Nahh, yeah I"ll be bringing something...just don't think I'm going with Nom this time around. And yeah, I understand the possibilities with Ossus...but remember...that's a NR squad not a YV

yeah man, we're heading down friday night. You're more than welcome to drive down to charlotte and ride down with us if you have time. We're staying with Nate. I think we have around 5-6 of us going down for it.

I'm shocked that no one has mentioned Grievous squads yet. But there's no way I'm not running Lord Vader. Number one, he's my favorite. I've slain more GOWK squads with him than even I'd care to mention. Pair him with Nym, and I have rocked. But I'm not sure if I'll exchange Nym for Cade. That's right. CadE. Cad is an impressive little bugger, but too many friends use him as a crutch piece it's not funny. I'm intrigued by the Vong ideas; the Vong get too little respect. However, no one has mentioned a Bane/Boba squad yet. That's the way to win a tourney. Bane's the ultimate melee master, and Fett is one of the best ranged dudes.

If the Cad squad outactivates Yobuck (which it should), Cad puts 120 on Yobuck with opportunist, wins init, and then finishes him off. Explain to me how you are preventing this from happening. You can put damage on Cad, but the cost of doing so is almost always worse for you.

If a player plays that badly he deserves to lose.

Clearly you have not faced someone who knows what they are doing YoBuck/Skywalker.

Cad is a glass cannon, experienced players get around that.

You assume that Cad will be able to swap in or get LOS on YoBuck, if the YoBuck player knows what they are doing you will have an uphill battle.

I always like how disagreeing with you turns into a credentials war lol.

I never claimed to be world championship calibre and while I am probably one of if not the best at my shop I don't call myself anything but a minis player. Other people say I am the best there, I never have.

I play Dean, Bill, and Joruus on Vassal all the time as long as we are petty name dropping, I have a pretty fair record against them and they know I don't have a big head minis wise I just play for fun, but that doesn't mean I don't know meta, and that doesn't mean I am a big fish.

Good day to you.

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That simply isn't true. In three years of having a Gencon top 8, Matt has made it exactly once. That is hardly "consistently". The only people who have made it more than once are Matt Peterson, Lobostele, and myself. Matt is a good player, but let's be fair. Joel plays at a venue that also has one person who made the top 8 at Gencon once. They are at least as active as Nebraska at this time, and have had only one player play in the championship, one time, period. Let's not start a pissing contest with name dropping about the "caliber of opponents"....

No, Joel plays on Vassal quite a lot, he knows where he stands and so on. He is not a big fish in anyway.

Wow. So it's down to the super secret methods of the genius Nebraska player group to show that an argument is wrong? I certainly don't agree with your conclusion, that yoda is at the disadvantage. In fact I argue quite the opposite. Cad has a lot to fear from Yoda actually, and it's one of the major hurdles to the Cad swapping concept. Maybe you don't know how people are running Yoda in the rest of the country. :)

Anytime - even if the challenge wasn't meant for me.

Being a person who has played a lot of swap squads, and in turn, Cad swap squads, as well as a lot of yoda squads, I tend to think that has more weight than winning a tournament locally or what have you. Here's how the matchup tends to go.

If we assume Cad with Ozzel, and go my route, which is using a Vader/VAU interference type, you get about 15 activations tops. Sure, you outactivate, but the first Yoda run kills 90% of your swappers. You are left playing with swapping Vader and Cad for each other, and for Ozzel. Yoda is untouched, because the Yoda player is smart enough to do it in this order. Tow Yoda, end turn. Opponent goes with 1, Yoda charges, kills most fodder, maybe even hits Cad, and gets swapped out. Many times, you swap in an unactivated General Skywalker, because he can finish Cad immediately, or can nail thrawn, mas, ozzel. If the situation is unsafe, then just a gran. Pretty basic stuff so far.

The opponent, with Ozzel, has to then either act cad now (fogoing opportunist) or act thrawn, to get Cad out of the way. This also means Mas is usually dead, etc. And further, Cad can't even get that far away if he moves, since Anakin can go 10 and double. So you move thrawn (taking an AoO likely) to get him more than 10 away (lucky situation if that's possible), and swap Cad to a safe place. Unfortunately, you have very limited swaps, so odds are Cad doesn't have a good shot from where he gets swapped to. Vader comes in and he and Anakin go at it a little. Doesn't matter what happens, next round, Cad dies to Yoda.

Now, the alternative, is using Cad and Vader swap without Ozzel. That works better, but it's still a similar match up. The main difference, is the ability to shoot with Cad, and then get swapped away. And considering you have been acting with two, your fodder is likely more spread out, and a tougher kill with Yoda. So you are much better prepared.

Of course now, you have to deal with being outactivated by NR, Seps and Rebels, which is crushing if they also have disruptive. Cad will not live long against a couple of different builds here, and it's an uphill battle. So you trade flexibility for the auto-kills. It's generally worth it, especially when you also consider what happens to an Ozzel swap squad when it's outactivated as well. I've learned some tricks to get around even that, but suffice it to say, I have not seen those in regular practice by many players, so we can ignore them.

Cad swapping is decent at 200, and can compete with many things quite well. To say it has an advantage against General SKywalker and Yoda is too far for me. I've not seen that to be the case. In fact the opposite is true in my opinion.

Being a firstimer this year I have to take notes
Next time could you just say "This squad is going to win" that would make it so much easier (just joking!)