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Gambit 10pts for 200pt games.
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3-2-1 Scoring System
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billiv15 wrote:Let's say I'm in a close scored game, but its clear if played out I'll lose, and if I manage to win, I'm certainly not getting a full win because I've got tech and commanders left, and you have your attackers. If I'm losing by 5 rounds of gambit or less and I can lock you out of gambit (rare, but can happen) then I can win via lockout, but I'm not likely to get to 200 that way. If you take away the 5 round rule, I can get a 200 pt full win out of this. Quote:And just as bad is same scenario by I'm winning by 1 point and I can lock my figures in gambit and safe from you. Not only am I ensuring a lock out win, but I'm also going to be able to get to 200 when there's no way I would have otherwise. Quote:You can do the reverse too. Get to gambit early on, kill off the door control, lock it up for as many rounds as it takes for you to get to 180-190ish, open a door, kill a piece to finish it, and win a full win, on mostly gambit points.
5 round limits prevent those shenanigans. Not completely mind you, but there has to be a balance. We used to have a 10 round limit and eventually reduced it to 5 because 10 wasn't effective with most games going 6-9 rounds in total. 5 is enough that if you won't engage you will lose. 10 or infinite is not. All of these scenarios get worse with 10 point gambit, and it is already possible for a player to extend the game clock by damaging their own character or making their own character roll a save.
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FlyingArrow wrote:All of these scenarios get worse with 10 point gambit, and it is already possible for a player to extend the game clock by damaging their own character or making their own character roll a save.
In theory, but play test it and then see what you think. I was worried about the same thing, trust me.
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atmsalad wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:All of these scenarios get worse with 10 point gambit, and it is already possible for a player to extend the game clock by damaging their own character or making their own character roll a save.
In theory, but play test it and then see what you think. I was worried about the same thing, trust me. I didn't mean that as a reason not to go to 10-point gambit. I was indicating that those scenarios are minor concerns (as evidenced by the popularity of 10-point gambit). The possibility of someone with a lead getting a win while abandoning gambit is a bigger concern and an easy one to fix.
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FlyingArrow wrote:atmsalad wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:All of these scenarios get worse with 10 point gambit, and it is already possible for a player to extend the game clock by damaging their own character or making their own character roll a save.
In theory, but play test it and then see what you think. I was worried about the same thing, trust me. I didn't mean that as a reason not to go to 10-point gambit. I was indicating that those scenarios are minor concerns (as evidenced by the popularity of 10-point gambit). The possibility of someone with a lead getting a win while abandoning gambit is a bigger concern and an easy one to fix. Okay, well that flew right over my head, lol
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Forgive the question... but with 3-2-1 scoring, do you still get 3 points for a bye?? Or do you only get 2 (which is how it should be in my opinion)?
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den25 wrote:Forgive the question... but with 3-2-1 scoring, do you still get 3 points for a bye?? Or do you only get 2 (which is how it should be in my opinion)? That's a good question...
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You get 3, it's not your fault in anyway that you got a bye. And winning verses the bye is not a tie breaker win.
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3pts for a bye.
As for whether it should be 3 or 2, here's how I think of it: It already sucks to get a bye (I come to play, not to watch others play), and so penalizing a player even further (by denying them a chance to earn a full 3pts) is even worse. Besides, having a Bye will hurt your Strength of Schedule, which will often cause you to get a lower standing in the final placings, which could cause you to miss the Top 4/Top 8.
A Bye is almost all bad...so it seems right to let it give you a full 3 pts, to try to compensate.
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thereisnotry wrote:3pts for a bye.
As for whether it should be 3 or 2, here's how I think of it: It already sucks to get a bye (I come to play, not to watch others play), and so penalizing a player even further (by denying them a chance to earn a full 3pts) is even worse. Besides, having a Bye will hurt your Strength of Schedule, which will often cause you to get a lower standing in the final placings, which could cause you to miss the Top 4/Top 8.
A Bye is almost all bad...so it seems right to let it give you a full 3 pts, to try to compensate. I really like that way of looking at it.
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Thanks for the quick answer to my bye question. Appreciate it. I certainly know it's not a persons fault for getting a bye and I'm not out to further punish anyone... Quote:thereisnotry wrote:
3pts for a bye.
As for whether it should be 3 or 2, here's how I think of it: It already sucks to get a bye (I come to play, not to watch others play), and so penalizing a player even further (by denying them a chance to earn a full 3pts) is even worse. Besides, having a Bye will hurt your Strength of Schedule, which will often cause you to get a lower standing in the final placings, which could cause you to miss the Top 4/Top 8.
A Bye is almost all bad...so it seems right to let it give you a full 3 pts, to try to compensate.
Great point that I hadn't considered was strength of schedule... I overlooked that. I was more thinking that if I played 3 games and got 2 - 2 point wins and 1 point for losing but gaining 100 pts, my record would be 2-1 with 5 points. Then if someone else gets a bye, and a 3 point win and a total loss, they'd be 1-1(with a bye) and 6 pts. So I was thinking they would advance ahead of me since they have 6 points, even though I've got 2 wins to their 1. But I forgot about strength of schedule... Thanks for clarifying...
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