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LoboStele
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:25:31 AM
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Darth Percocet wrote:
LoboStele wrote:
I guess it just goes to show that you can never please everyone. Ban GOWK, half the people get all up in arms because they banned somebody. Bring him back...people aren't happy with that either. Well, can't have your cake and eat it too...


Well Lobostele, i am not happy about him being brought back. & thats my right as an American to feel that way. Also my right as a bloomilk member to feel that way to & also my right to state my opinion on the matter. I read this threads title & responded my opinion & thoughts, so for you to comment my post & then adding your comments at the end of it mocking me & laughing at what i posted or what i said wrong, well noone asked you to do that. By doing stuff like that will make newbies afraid to post on a forum because they will feel that if they type something wrong then a veteran will eat apart there whole post. Kind of how you just did me. Just think it was a little ignorant for someone of your status to do.

Now saying that, was it really called for? How about we just let people comment on what they think & feel & not critisize there whole post & pick apart everything they may of said wrong or you disagree on.


Sorry you felt it was a personal slight on you. Didn't mean it that way. Basically only quoted your posts because they were ones to reply to. My thoughts apply to anyone who would present the argument that you did. And I wasn't laughing at you at all. And please don't put chips on shoulder that aren't there. You started with a fairly heated opinion, and I just responded by debunking some of the incorrect things you had stated. Didn't mean any ill harm by it.

In all honesty, comments like yours about the doom and gloom of SWM and "going down in flames" will hurt newbies coming onto the forums just as much as anything else.

As always...everyone is entitled to their opinions, but if you're going to post it on a message board, then you better be prepared for people to debate it with you. And if you're wrong about something, than all the more reason for people to speak up and correct you, so that others don't draw the same wrong conclusions.
Uggie Demo
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:26:31 AM
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ok, cool, I saw the changing on Soresu Style Mastery, I like ot alot better know. :)
markedman247
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:29:18 AM
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Uggie Demo wrote:
So, there is no characters banned?


Outside of Dynamic Duos and Boba Fett, no. And this change may be changed as well, as the original banning was only of Disintegration. Dean was amazed that BF, BH was banned from that format as it wasn't his intent. There was a miscommunication somewhere. This is on the SWM Rules Forum pinned at the top for those to follow that conversation.

Just play GOWK with the change to SSM style, and you are good to go.
Sithborg
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:33:22 AM
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MOD HAT ON:
Okay people, remember, debate the topic, not the people.
MOD HAT OFF.

Anyways, a tons of thanks for Dean for all the hard work. I am likely going to be spending the night going over it. I must say, this is a big surprise. I have to totally rethink squads. Suddenly, the contents of DT's seems to makes a little more sense. Mando JH and JH Droid are perfect GOWK hate.

The Lansing tournament is going to be amazing. I really need to playtest.
markedman247
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:37:53 AM
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Sithborg wrote:
Suddenly, the contents of DT's seems to makes a little more sense. Mando JH and JH Droid are perfect GOWK hate.


Well, not quite GOWK hate as so much Armored Obi hate. :)
dnemiller
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:43:23 AM
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spryguy1981 wrote:
Just BFBH from DD.


Actually that was a glitch too. They missed it when the changed the appendix number. Boba BH was slated to return minus Big D ability in DD. So I guess he comes back in July sorry for the foul up on that but I had written his return in.
carnorjax1
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:52:51 AM
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interesting 125 point tourneys
Tirade
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:00:37 AM
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carnorjax1 wrote:
interesting 125 point tourneys


Only for sealed events.
IG-108
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:28:49 AM
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Okay, so does this mean that the new Soresu Style Mastery rule applies to DCI tournaments only, or for all games. The reason I ask is because the few times I play GOWK freely, I like how SSM is because it reflects how Obi-Wan actually was.
billiv15
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:32:42 AM
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IG-108 wrote:
Okay, so does this mean that the new Soresu Style Mastery rule applies to DCI tournaments only, or for all games. The reason I ask is because the few times I play GOWK freely, I like how SSM is because it reflects how Obi-Wan actually was.


I believe you answered your own question. DCI rules apply only to DCI events. Outside of that, you can play however you want.
Sithborg
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:33:17 AM
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DCI sanctioned tournaments only, until such time that an official Errata is made.
saeseetiin
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:44:07 AM
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I dont play dci so he is still banned in my book but the republic is stacked up now why couldnt they just up his cost to like 90 pts.
fingersandteeth
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:54:12 AM
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saeseetiin wrote:
I dont play dci so he is still banned in my book but the republic is stacked up now why couldnt they just up his cost to like 90 pts.


cos no one would play him?

Seriously, this is a great change for the game.
harmonm4
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:53:41 AM
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saeseetiin wrote:
I dont play dci so he is still banned in my book but the republic is stacked up now why couldnt they just up his cost to like 90 pts.


How is he EVER banned in your book if you don't play DCI?Confused You don't have to answer the question, I just think that if you don't play DCI, then the change on him should not affect you anyway.
jedispyder
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:00:55 PM
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Possibly a "gentleman's ban" where the local community all agree not to play him?
Dead horse
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:16:19 PM
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Cybit wrote:
Why the hell would I want cake if I couldn't eat it??? :-p


I have always thought that was the weirdest cliche in our entire language. Was there a point where people competed to create the most beautiful but inedible cakes? Are there glass-roofed arcades in London originally used to house the most tempting cakes in the land, guarded by angry dogs or bears?

That's up there with killing two birds with one stone "Dude, you're not gonna use both those rocks, are you? There's a recession! You gotta conserve."
harmonm4
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:19:13 PM
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jedispyder wrote:
Possibly a "gentleman's ban" where the local community all agree not to play him?


Good call. I can see how that can be the case.
saeseetiin
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:19:55 PM
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harmonm4 wrote:
saeseetiin wrote:
I dont play dci so he is still banned in my book but the republic is stacked up now why couldnt they just up his cost to like 90 pts.


How is he EVER banned in your book if you don't play DCI?Confused You don't have to answer the question, I just think that if you don't play DCI, then the change on him should not affect you anyway.


It dont effect me when I play we just dont use him we banned him before dci did
saeseetiin
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:22:13 PM
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jedispyder wrote:
Possibly a "gentleman's ban" where the local community all agree not to play him?


Exactly
Sashlon
Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:25:07 PM
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Honestly, I can't see how this can be read as anything other than a positive development. Now I live an interantional flight from DCI, but if I could, I'd most definatly be a DCI player. I try to keep up to date with rule changes for DCI, and use those rules, becuase I think they're more fun.

Bringing GOWK back is a great way to open up the meta. EVERYONE was frustrated with the Snowspeeder meta, so here you go, it's over with.

I can see a pretty diverse group of squads becoming widely used, and I can't see 1 dominant build! This is a wonderful thing people!

Look at what's good now:

Rebel Snowspeeder - still very good
Rebel push - making a comeback
Han Cannon - Always been great
Vader Black and Blue - yeah, ditch Cad, and put Vader back in those squads!
Palpy on Throne/Vader Unleashed - Great against GOWK
Sep Droids - Have been great for a while now
GOWK/Dash or Rex/Lobot - was an all-time great build
General Ani/Yobuck - seems pretty good against most things
Wedge/Kyle/Mara - Maybe throw in Shado for anti-melee
Malak/Holosid - always a good GOWK counter
Vong/Cad Bane - Strong anti-melee

There's heaps more, and they're all great options!

Flobi is still good too becuase of Flight/Surprise move/SSM + great CE, just a different build to GOWK.

Great to see an open meta again.






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