I can see that but-
1- I don't own Cad Bane or Dash Rendar so I don't make squads with them
2- This is a post about Boba Fett, not about which twin mobile person is the best. Boba Fett has way more hit points than Cad or Dash AND if I'm playing someone who is evading all of my shots then I can flame thrower him or her right in the face as opposed to Cad who would just keep shooting and shooting whilst there is no damage done. The flame thrower and disintegration are totally worth it in my opinions. Plus I take more stock in my mobiling black sun vigo with oppurtunist 20 than I do with Bane. 80 hit points? I just can't see it working for me. I need something more real, republic credits are no good here. heh

I understand, and your statement was the Boba BH was best because you can give him extra attack. I disagree. I find Boba MC and Boba Merc to be better options in squads. Virtually anything Boba BH can do can be done more economically in other ways. This has been true for quite a while, but it's even more true in today's game. I've been arguing this since the A&E days mind you. Boba BH was the best shooter in the game until the release of Princess Leia and Obi FS. Since that day, he hasn't been the top dog.

Um no. Let's do the comparison. Boba + TBSV vs Dash and Cad (assuming the Exile is in the squad).
Boba TBSV - 80pts
160hps
2 activations with Evade
1 easy kill, 1 difficult
140 dmg max output
6 shots
direct damage option of flame 20 within 6
5% chance to disintegrate

Cad Dash - 82pts
150hps
2 acts with evade
1 medium kill, 1 difficult
240 max dmg
12 shots
0 direct damage

Further, your easy kill will not be doing much damage, because that puts him at risk. And of course he will be the early target with only 40hps, and removing greater mobile from Boba. Killing Cad or Dash does not take away from the other. That makes the greater damage potencial from the second pair, even stronger in terms of what the two will average in an actual game. Second, having 12 shots vs 6 decreases the odds that the dice make the game, and that too increases damage output, decreases bad luck, and improves your odds against evade/Soresu (SSM)/deflect/defense to land damage.

Really.... So you are going to move within 6 of my figure to hit me for 20, rather than base and ignore evade altogether??? That's a very weak argument. Further, I can't remember the last time Boba's flame was useful in a game I've played. It almost never comes into play. If your Boba is that close to my pieces, it's dead already. Other than as a random, last ditch effort, it's hardly worth noticing.

As to disintegration, well that's just not my experience with the ability. But at less competitive levels of play, I understand why someone would say that.

Interesting. So you prefer 2 shots at a max of +13, vs 6 shots at +16. As to the comment about mobile, well they both have GMA, so that's irrelevant.

In most games, the difference between 80 and 120hps on a shooter is almost nothing. Especially in an interference squad like the one we are debating. If you are attacking Cad or Boba in either build, then you are near them. Both die quite quickly in that situation. just for the record, I don't usually attack Boba in games I play against him unless it's either early on (and completely safe to do so), or at the point in the game when I can outright kill him off within a round or 2 at most. The same is true of Cad, because if you do not, his damage output will wreck you.

The point of making this comparison, is to show that Boba BH is highly desired, and though of, but in real competitive play, he isn't that great. In today's game, you are far better off with either Boba Merc, or Boba MC. To be honest, I haven't used Boba BH in a game in over 3 years, I just always have better options in squad building overall. As to how many times I've faced him, well that's countless. How many times have I lost to a disintegration? Exactly 1 time. How many times have I had a figure disintegrated? Not sure, but it's well over 10 games I'm sure. It's just not that hard to deal with when you are prepared, and know what you are doing. And when he doesn't disintegrate something key early in a game or at a critical moment late, he is overcosted.

Easy, just play a game or two with Han of Hoth :)

Dash is overrated in the fact most see him as reliably doing 80 dam. I don't expect that, but still use him a lot, because I plan on him doing 40 dam on average.

Slightly off topic, but I'll still say a word. I tend to agree. Dash without some kind of boost is barely worth 28pts. But that's the great thing about his cost, and being fringe. Alone he is ok, but you can boost him in almost every faction. I consider giving him extra attack roughly = to a +4 (although the math actually prefers extra).

Let's assume a defense of 20 (roughly average between cover, CEs, etc.).
4 shots at +14 = 75% chance to hit and 20% chance to crit per activation. That's an average of roughly 62dmg per activation
6 shots at +10 = 50% chance to hit and 30% chance to crit for an average of roughly 63.3 dmg per activation.

Further, the more shots you take in a game, the more the damage averages even out to the percentages. So 6X shot vs 4X shot is superior based on average, and tactics. It's small, but it's worth noting.

And now, just so you can all see how changing the defense of the target affects the choice, let's assume a defense of 25.
4 at +14 = 50% chance to hit and 20% chance to crit per act = 42dmg per
6 at +10 = 30% chance to hit and 30% chance to crit per act = 39.3dmg per

30def now
4 at 14 = 25% per shot and 20% per act = 22dmg per
6 at 10 = 5% per shot and 30% per act = 6.3dmg per

and finally 15d
4 at 14 = 95% and 20% = 78dmg per
6 at 10 = 80% and 30% = 99.3dmg per

You can clearly see that somewhere around 22-23defense on the target, prefers the +4. Anything less prefers the extra attacks. Further, considering the extra attacks also allow you additional tactics in terms of shooting different figures, killing multiple in a turn, that most targets have 80 or less hps (where a 6 shooting Dash generally is more likely to land 80 than a 4 shooting), and the ability to better take away the randomness of the dice, extra attack is generally preferred. Seems odd, I know, but that's what the numbers say :)

Now, if you can give him a +4 and force points, you increase the odds and damage potencial further, which is why Dash is a preferred figure with Malak and HoloSid, or Dark Woman and Qui-Gon JT. He's also a great figure with Exile, GOWK and Flobi as well for these very reasons.

As for other factions right now, he's not usually worth 28 as a Rebel or in NR (although NR with Leia/Jagged can be ok, but not great). Imperials are interesting, as he works well with Jagged, but little else in the faction. As for Vong, he has little synergy, and his limited roll (being a support shooter), is largely replaced by Cad Bane, especially in 200 with Nom.

So oddly, Dash' best factions are in order:
Republic
Sith
Old Republic
New Republic
Imperial
Vong (No strong synergy, but useful as they lack shooters, and his cost allows him)
Rebel (No strong synergy, but ok here just in a support role. Other figures fit his role).
Mando/Sep (no real synergy for these two)

Additional note: Cad has Stealth.

Granted, it all depends on squad synergy and maps. But I can tell most of the time, keeping your forces split will just as likely leave you vulnerable to the bulk of the other squad. I know there have been a lot of times that I have regretted splitting up my squad, since the other part was unable to react quickly enough to what my opponent did.

It was definately the biggest thing I learned at the Lansing Championship.

Generally speaking, it is worse for a new player to spilt his figures up then to keep them together, simply because engaging half a army with a full army simply will not work when fighting over a central objective. *gambit.* The game is simply not stratigic enough on a lower level for it to make a difference. Long as thers good commanders, the +4 defence granted by cover and engaging is the only real thoughtful encounters. Would you go all the way around to nagate that +4 defence? Probably not really, as it's better to crank out more shots against a army then it is to take a turn or 2 cycling around to get a better angle.

Now if there were addition objectives in the game, such as the warhammer 40,000 game mode where when time is called, whoever holds the most uncontested areas wins or just multiple gambits, then perhaps the moves would work as it's no longer a single objective nessiary to win the game, hence it would be more importent to fight over multiple areas as opposed to one.

Flanking will work effectively on occation as long as the army as a whole can keep it's fire concentrated. Or a unit simply can't work in a given situation. Shooters and melee being a good example. Or support unit and fighting groups. Otherwise, the stratgic element is too focused on single charcters to actually work. Plus I think the turns being carried out in unision also reduces the effectiveness of such moves, where massive unit swings are less effective as they can fight back at the same time.

When we say "splitting", we mean splitting to parts of the map where one group cannot support the other. This is a common mistake by new players. We DON'T mean that people should bunch them together in a tight group. That should have been clarified for newer players. Wysten and Joe did a good job of explaining some of the specifics. Thanks for addressing that lack of clarity Robin.

There are also specific squads (swap squads, high mobility squads) that can function well when split up, but these are CALCULATED deep strikes by experienced players and not something that new players usually attempt with much success. It is easy to get in trouble by over-extending yourself.