All counter arguments to my original post are valid and it's gives me more of a perspective on the game as a whole. I collect the mini's that I want, I've never considered collecting the entire catalogue of figures. It's never been a problem for me to get my hands on those figs. that are highly sought after. However, there must be some recognition of the irony of holding a figure in your hand that, say a year ago was worth $1 and has suddenly sky rocketed up to $50 (this is an exaggeration, of course). I mean, first and foremost, for me at least, what I see on the actual, official printed card makes the mini, (A'Sharad Hett is a huge exception, as I'm sure are a few other examples) but I understand the idea that the community creates the demand for figures and hence affects the price. But like others have noted, this is being taken into consideration and it is a fact of collecting.

Thanks for the (highly) spirited discussion. And, please, for those of us who are "weekend" warrior types and aren't involved in the game as much as others, please allow us some leeway or understanding in our opinions. That is all I ask for when I post on these forums, it will make people feel more comfortable in voicing their views. That's what these forums are about, right? An equal voice for all?

So should I go ahead and buy Princess Leia, Captive in anticipation of things to come? =) Now I take my leave.

I for one am looking forward to the new ideas that are coming. Go everyone!

You're arguing over Star Wars Miniatures. Seriously? Come on guys. You're both entitled to your own opinions. Whatever happens after Masters of the Force is going to happen whether you agree with it or not. So stop arguing, enjoy the game, and either use the v-sets to follow or don't. Stop the childishness.

One thing to note, although some SWCCG prices have gone up, most have not. Yes there are cards like Imperial Atrocity, which went from being functionally worthless to a $20 card after Imperial Atrocity(v) came out, but there are also cards like Darth Vader, DLOTS or Lord Vader or Cloud City Boba Fett which were $20 or much more at one point and no longer are. Yes a box of Coruscant or Reflections III is going to get you back ~$300. But a box of Jabba's Palace is like $12 (that's for 60 packs!), and Cloud City and Dagobah are not much more. Minis will almost certainly work out the same way. Most pieces will drop in value quite a bit. Some will increase, especially pieces that go from being super-junk to very good. The price of an IE case will probably plummet, but the price of a CS case will increase.

Prices are not going to go up across the board; they will mostly go down, with some outliers. Over the long run case prices will start to inch back up, but only for sets where there is not that much material available. And unless this last set turns out to be as, let's say prematurely released as Reflections III, Coruscant, or Theed Palace, we will not see real product scarcity for some time.

To the people who intend to keep playing after Wizards stops producing new pieces, I recommend picking up pieces that are old and good. Doombot, Mas Amedda, Ugnaught Demos, square-base Leia, Wicket, UH Lobot, GGDAC, Lancers, that sort of thing. Don't worry as much about the new stuff -- there is so much of it available in comparison that prices should stay in the basement for a long time.

@AdmiralMotti89: My determination on the pricing is from watching prices last year religiously. Until we completed our collection I was buying figs from ebay every week. I was watching the max in my queue (200 I think) at all times. I was buying R/VR pieces and using them as trade stock here. Yes my post was made from my opinion. I do not have any spread sheets where I tracked the prices as proof. When I look at your prices I can tell right off the ones in () are prices on BIN's. BIN's do not reflect the prices that pieces actually sell for on a final bid. So giving that as reference does not really reflect going prices. I will take one piece as a reference though from your list. You show

Darth Sion 16, 15 (22.5, 36)

So you bought not one but two Darth Sion's last week for under $20. That was one of my hardest pieces to obtain. I ended up having to trade for it here because it regularly did not sell for much less than $25 last year on bid and was always listed at $30-35 on BIN. Of course if you watch ebay enough you can almost always find one that slips through the cracks for a sweet deal. I admit I have only been sporatically watching ebay lately to try to pick up filler army pieces. I have browsed lots for sale and at first glance for me it seems prices have dropped since last year. That's all I can say on it. But to accuse me of lying or making up information is just not right. That is what you did. You have also not offered any proof yourself all through this argmuent. It's kind of pointless to argue this anyway as it makes no difference to me if prices drop to things being given away. I don't plan to sell my stuff--ever. I have games I had 30 years ago.

Also @Bill as I thought about this more I find your reply completely disrespectful to me and the group I play with. I don't even know who you are refering to in our group. A good majority of them participate at Gamers. I have quite a few people I know that participate over there that I call friends. I don't even use the word hate in reference to people. I never even said that to you if I remember correctly. We also don't sit around our venue and discuss much outside actual game play. So us sitting around talking about you kind of makes me laugh that you think you are so important to us we would discuss you at length. The most that has been discussed is people baffled why you get worked up over almost anything I post on here.

So? You still have no proof. I do. Honestly, it doesn't matter how many anecdotal examples you think you remember. It still doesn't count as evidence, and for all anyone knows you could be severely misremembering (a thanks to W on that word).



Ohhoho so not true. First of all, none of MY buys were BINs. Second, very few of those that I posted were BINs Third, None of the () Sion prices were BIN's; both were auctions. How does BIN not reflect going prices when you are trying to say prices are low? Did the person buy it or not? Now, you might have an argument if you said BIN's are skewing in that if a person posts a lower than necessary BIN price (Boba BH @ $30, for example), and it gets bought, that BIN is not valid for seeing how HIGH a price is going. But when you try to say that BIN's are invalid, that works AGAINST your argument that prices are low, because no one would buy a piece for higher than what they'd be willing to pay, but they would buy it for lower. I don't see how you can say the price was too high when it was bought, especially when the prices for the few BIN's I had were pretty close to the auction prices.



Wasn't last week, that was between february 15-18. Which means they were posted feb 8-11. Which was in that wake of good deals right after the panic after the announcement. BTW, two of one of the biggest chase pieces of the set 'slipped through?' Unlikely. I suppose it's possible, but let's be rational. It's because of the big panic, and now all evidence points that prices are increasing from that panic. Now, they probably won't increase past the pre-announcement levels, but the evidence points to them currently increasing in recovery from the panic.



Well that's a respectable admission. It's totally ok that you don't have enough (any?) proof to support your opinion. Mere glances are practically worthless. What I think is unfair is those that might listen to that opinion and think that SWM prices are going to "keep" nosediving, when A. All previous evidence suggests they won't. and B. They've already stopped diving! Now, the might go down again, but to say that it's just one big downward spiral isn;t a matter of opinion. It's based on fact that don't exist. The facts, the evidence, show that prices have gone up since the crash. With V-sets, all evidence points to some going up.


Well I said it was either those two, or the third one, which you left out.
But you did admit to the third one, which incidentally you just did here: leaving out pertinent information (intentionally or not).



What? You claiming my prices (which are actual evidence rather than your recollections of what might have happened, maybe, months ago) are not valid because a bought BIN evidently means someone didn't buy the figure, that the prices I listed were BIN's (which a great deal less than half were, probably less than 10%, I'll look it up again if you really want), and evidently all the deals I got were items that slipped through the cracks. Seriously?

Again, you're basing this on the assumption that those good pieces will stay good and the bad ones will stay bad or be mediocre. Anyways, if someone sees a Luke JK that they want (after they his V set version) go up to $10-15 from the current $5, I won't have any sympathy for them. I guess all I can say is that I've given the warning. Pieces like GGDAC, Boba Merc, Luke CotF, and Kyle JBM will most likely all go down in price (in addition to the possible overall decrease in price (which isn't some unrelenting spiral that began with the announcement, even though some have suggested that)) when the viable replacement virtual options like GGJH, Boba (RS), Luke JK, and UH Kyle hit the scene.

But there are exceptions, especially non-uniques like the mouse, that won't really go down I think, I'll agree with you for those ones. I'm not sure I buy the scarcity business for too many of the Uniques though.

How can the demand for currently good Unique figures go up if the player base decreases? Those figures can't really get any better (although I admit that V-sets might increase the usefulness of currently good ones through new combos), but IMO, the increase in utility of the V-cards will outpace the increase in the utility of already good figures resulting from new combos resulting from V-sets. At least, that's what seemed to happen with SWCCG. LSJK is an example that I can recall. He is still a great card, but his price decreased, while quite a few V-cards (practiaclly all the 2-player game cards and half the Objectives) increased.

Not jumping into the massive debate at hand here, but I do have a question:

Are you going to wait to see if someone picks up the line before creating a V-set or will work commence immediately after the release of MoTF?

I realize there is a very slim chance that will happen, but I am still hopeful of the possibility.

However, as Tirade and I discussed over on Wizards, eBay auctions have pretty much always been less than what the retailers sell for (exceptions would be right when sets come out), and more than what the ebay seller could sell to the retailer for. However, now, as we are rising a bit out of the crash, the retailers might be a better place to go if you want to sell. For example, I bought 3 Kyle JBM's for $5 each (accidentally, I just placed a junk bid that went through) and sold them for over $10 each to a retailer.

i dont really care or have an opinion on prices in anyway at all but I did want to address this one comment.

There will be an official ruling body basically made up of the current ruling body.

i mean seriously what do think makes up DCI right now and who does what.

If you are talking about the company Wizards and DCI the only thing being done by them right now is they are entering the wins and losses for us. THAT IS IT.

The rest is done by me with support coming from what I hear from the community. so really you will have zero change in the ruling body except by the name. If your venue chooses to ignore the ruling body then it is no different than what you have right now. You will just get together and play casual events if you wish. If you want to have a official structured ranked tourney you will be turning to the sanctioning body.

This is the same sanctioning body that is doing all the legwork and providing all the support for Regionals and Gencon. FYI Wotc is not providing anything nothing at the moment.