Little friendly reminder in case people didn't fully read the first post in this thread. Just trying to steer everyone back to the topic.

That's partially because Dean knew what was coming (and most of us read the writing on the wall) so we had been making plans since Gencon 09 in some manner. Basic research into Decipher's PC, discussions about what we would like to see, thinking about who would be good at what, etc. Dean posted that day on all the forums not to create some megalomania, but rather to let the community know that the game wasn't dead, to calm fears, and so on.

We knew something was going on because of Gencon stuff, and even before the announcement, Dean and Jim were working out how to run Gencon without WotC.

Um, couple of questions. Why should they be "elected"? This isn't political office, and it isn't a system of voting, it's a system of more or less consensus. The people doing it, are those who over the years have shown real commitment to the game and community, aptitude and what they are doing, and reliability. In some ways they were "elected" by the community long ago. But other people have gotten involved all on their own by taking on a job and doing it. For example, all the threads started on all three forums by Admiral Motti. More on this in a minute. I see no reason to "vote".

And honestly, unless you can tell me who would be better at designing than Deri (Fingersandteeth), Dennis (Boris) and Eric (Engineer), or who would be better to head up playtesting than myself, Lou (Lou) and Aaron (Lobostele), I don't see the value in creating a popularity contest of people who want power for the wrong reasons getting all their friends to vote for them, etc, rather than entrusting the group of people the community has long believed can best do the work. And you will notice, all 7 people I've mentioned here, are Hall of Fame players. I think that's where I mentioned the community "elected" them long ago. If you want to have a vote for sake of having a vote so be it. I don't see any reason to do so, because I'm sorry, no matter how many votes random poster X gets, if we as a community don't know his/her work, why would we entrust them. Think of it like applying for a job as a high level exec. The people in the mail room don't get to vote for you or not. (And by mail room, I am referring to the 150 posters who exist on this forum to rate squads with 1s, not real members of the community :))

Umm, don't know what this means. You mean posted that you were going to make V-sets? Or that Regionals and Gencon would be going off without a hitch? The post you refer to was the latter, and the former was merely a mention of where we would be going eventually. I don't care what Shinja and the mods want to do.

Meh, I don't see how democracy helps, other than as a way to put Dean and Gamers in a bad light. This isn't an imperial system in anyway, nor is it a democracy. Neither word is helpful. It's a community effort from people who love the game, nothing more, nothing less. No one is enslaved to it in anyway.

Wrong motivation on both counts. First, Gamers isn't primarily concerned with uniting the SWMs community. That is not our first purpose. Sure, to varying degrees we all care about it (hence why I'm here answering your questions). But no one is being kept out of it either. People who choose not to be involved because of whatever reason, are doing so of their own free will. As to why go to gamers, read my next comment as well. Also, I think anyone will recognize the need to keep things consolidated and within control. Chasing too many threads on three forums would be unwieldy for anyone, so it's just not practical. With that said - read below.

Actually, they did, and they do. Please look at the forums here much more carefully. There have been numerous threads asking for input. I'm not positive, but if I remember correctly, MDB ruined several of the threads here on bloomilk. Others are still here, and more will be coming. But you must realize that it's hard to follow the same discussion (and read through the repeat comments of people who didn't read the other threads) on three forums. It's much easier to keep the conversations in one place in many cases.

There was, and Dean was loaded with PMs in a few days. The request was made on day one, on all three forums. You must understand, that there isn't a need for 500 people, many of whom were not really interested in doing the work, just making a name for themselves, or whatever, but the option is still available to anyone. Contribute to the threads.

July 1, just as the schedule has normally been. Dean will post the rules on Gamers, as the DCI website is likely to be taken down by then. Ratings and rankings will be maintained and continued on Gamers, as we are working on a rating system and reporting software system as we speak to keep things working the way the players are used to DCI working.

Not sure where you heard that, but it was very few hands, and the last few times they didn't do much. The process will be virtually the same as before. Dean (and Nickname) will work through any rule changes, and Dean will send it to a few people to check for errors. Then a few weeks prior to the date, Dean will likely tell us of any thing coming. Although don't expect a lot of major changes in July. Bigger things tend to happen at the January 1 update (this year almost certain to include some custom maps in some fashion). In fact, you can be involved in the discussion on Gamers about the custom maps right now if you want to. If you want to start a thread here on Bloo to do so as well, go for it.

How could you possibly make that assessment? If you don't know the ETA, how can you judge that it's being rushed?

The goal is to release the first V-set sometime in the fall (likely late fall - Oct-Nov-Dec). I think it's important to recognize, that we have 3 players doing design with countless ideas from the community, compared to 1 Rob with very little input. We have another group of 3 players who will be in charge of play testing (not I said in charge - the way I've organized it is to go to a few groups of players I trust and some who have approached me to test a few things and report back to me - Lou and Aaron are doing the same). In terms of design, we have 3X the team WotC had, and in terms of playtesting, we have 3000X the team. In terms of card creation and so on, again we have multiple people who will be working on it. Rob did a set every 3-4 months at the last, roughly 120 minis a year, as a single person. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect us to be able to continue that type of release schedule without it being "rushed". Further, to say so at this point, is insulting and based on nothing. Please refrain from doing so further unless you actually had evidence of such.

Yep, a lot, and like I said, 3000X more than Rob ever did.

Not going to argue the point. Just going to say look at the people designing. What sides of "power creep" arguments have they traditionally been on? But more importantly, I think this will be answered in time, and there isn't much point in debating it now.

This just sounds like you don't trust the people working on it. That's fine. It will change the game though. Some players will say it changed it for the worst, but I think most will find the new pieces good additions. I'd say wait and see.

Other than the comment about it being "rushed" which I simply view as an impossible judgment to make, it certainly wasn't. I've told you specifically before, I generally don't respond to topics that I don't think are worth it. In this case, they were good questions, and worth taking some time to answer. Now back on topic :)

maybe ......someday .......
I'm still trying to find time (and opponents ) to play with the pieces I have

same here, i play my dad but i live in vermont so its really hard to find people!

That sucks. But I live in the UK and only know two other people who play. Time difference makes playing on Vassal quite difficult as well, meaning I either have to stay up late into the night to get a game, or play Sashlon in the mornings...when I should be studying.

Just to add some comments to hopefully clarify some things.

@mickey

Why are things at Gamers?

Because I need to them to be there. I have come here since the announcement was made and let people know what is hapening. At that time I explained why things would be housed at Gamers but let me tell you again. I need to be able to control things. Not in your worst fears control but in the sense of creating forums and subforums control. Since this has started I have created a community input forum. It is there just so the community can be heard. I need to create hidden forums that games designer, testers, proofreaders, card designers, rules people can talk amongst themselves in privacy. Now if you can tell me where else other than a website I already own that could happen than please let me know.

If you had not noticed just this week I asked for more input because we are getting ready to make the first set list of 60. It is like making cuts on a football team there will be some arguing for certain characters and the such. I can tellyou that our entire list comes from the community's suggestion. I spent an hour today copy and pasting it into one document.

So why should gamers be the ones doing this?

Because I have known for a lot longer than you the game was coming to an end. I have been quietly making preparations for this moment. I am making changes for the competitive game. If you dont play DCI/Comp then why the heck do you care? That is not directed at anyone but I see tons of people ripping the V-sets and then state I dont play compeitively. Well then really what effect could it possibly have on you?

I, like it or not, am the caretaker of the compeitive game. You may not like me and that is fine but I will stand by my track record. Prior to me you went 24 months without a DCI floor rules update or map change. Think that was good for the game? When I took the position there was no one else lined up helping with the Competitive game (doing work for Wizards for free that anyone could have done.) Well I take that back someone had just started helping and that was Joseph Whalen Darth Variable. Out of the entire community no one else had even tried. I am not ripping people for that I am just laying out some honest facts. So when this all came down of the game ending I knew some things that competitive game would need to stay alive. I also had an idea who could help with that. We will soon have a ratings reporting system and calculator. Do you know who did that. Avazander has quietly worked his butt off making it happen. I cannot say enough for him. Lobostele has made a swiss pairing program that incorporates the 3/2 scoring system up to 5 rounds.

These are things that have had to be done for the competitive game. All members of the community have been invited to help. But understand that when it comes to choosing people to keep this community and game alive I have to go with a known commodity. I love this game way to much to leave it to chance by picking someone who may or may not do the work. We have a very small window to make this game stable. If someone has not stepped up in the previous 6 years of the games existence and helped how am I supposed to think they will now? Would you?

I realize that a lot of BLoomilk folks hate gamers. Beleive me I have read enough over a couple of years to know and I remember the screennames. But if you want to play the competitive game via the same engine that has always existed you will have to deal with the fact most of it will be housed at gamers. I am sorry if you hate the site. I know quite a few folks hate it because they have always said the members are too much of the competitive portion of the community. Well then I guess it makes sense it would be there that comppetitive changes are housed.

I am not trying to upset anyone with this post I just wanted to sya a coupel of things and really I have rambled.

All of this maybe a moot point anyways as there is a company interested in getting the game and if they do then V-sets wont matter.

I'm Ruhk and I approve of Dean's work.

I gotta be honest, after reading what Bill has said about the V-Sets and how they're being worked on, I'm 10x more excited about them than I was before (and I was excited even then!). I just can't wait until I can see all the new cards - I wish I had a heads up on which proxy minis to buy so I can get them before they're all sold out. I'll probably, in my MM order next week, be adding any of the cheap Rares and Very Rares that I can find, in case they get remade!

At this time there is an un-named company who is interested in procuring the rights to the game and system, and we're waiting to see what/if any thing happens.

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