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Being an NPE isn't enough to warrant errata, imo. NPEs can be dealt with through design and squad-building. Eventually, they almost always get phased out of the meta because people want to play new things. Plus, as countrydude said, what makes something an NPE varies too much from person to person.
On the other hand, if something restricts the meta to the extent that you need to either play it or a hard counter (as GOWK did when he initially came out), errata could be an appropriate reaction.
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countrydude82487 wrote:jen'ari wrote: It just seems to me that if we can entrust a group of people to design/play test and release pieces for competitive play and continuation of the game than we can trust people to make changes/nerf/etc pieces when its popular opinion, a known problem, and an NPE.
See to me the issue comes from the fact that no one has the Same NPE's. Mine may be Bastilla but The Next persons Could be mas. I realize this is a committee, but the issue comes from THe outcry that will happen when a players favorite piece is banned. Personally i don't want to ban anything. That is part of the reason i joined this game, and i know that i am not alone. I played other games in the past that required you to cycle to the newest sets in order to play and i could not stand that. I have always been of the mindset that you should be able to play older pieces without being restricted. If a piece truly needs an errata then i am ok with something like that, but the purpose should never be to make a piece unplayable. +1 great wording and I feel the same, banning is lame. I am fine if changes are made, my thing is if we are going to errata cards normally then can we get the new cards released in a mini set?
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General_Grievous wrote:countrydude82487 wrote:jen'ari wrote: It just seems to me that if we can entrust a group of people to design/play test and release pieces for competitive play and continuation of the game than we can trust people to make changes/nerf/etc pieces when its popular opinion, a known problem, and an NPE.
See to me the issue comes from the fact that no one has the Same NPE's. Mine may be Bastilla but The Next persons Could be mas. I realize this is a committee, but the issue comes from THe outcry that will happen when a players favorite piece is banned. Personally i don't want to ban anything. That is part of the reason i joined this game, and i know that i am not alone. I played other games in the past that required you to cycle to the newest sets in order to play and i could not stand that. I have always been of the mindset that you should be able to play older pieces without being restricted. If a piece truly needs an errata then i am ok with something like that, but the purpose should never be to make a piece unplayable. +1 great wording and I feel the same, banning is lame. I am fine if changes are made, my thing is if we are going to errata cards normally then can we get the new cards released in a mini set? Supposed to be coming with set 9...
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Honestly, the physical cards was mistake #1 made after the game went away. They should've just stuck with online PDFs. As it is, the timeline limits lead to things not necessarily getting all the playtesting it needs. There is no room to delay a set if needed. So instead, there is a rush for playtesting, fundraising, and the various proofing and card design jobs. Let's not get started on the cost. Epic #3 was pretty much a no go because there wouldn't be the funds for it, which was sad that they couldn't get out of the physical mindset long enough to go for it. It also makes any errata or reset harder to do.
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EPIC 3 was cancelled?
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pegolego wrote:EPIC 3 was cancelled? No. It just never really got started. It took a lot to convince others that it was a worthwhile idea.
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For an exercise, I thought I'd try create a list of pieces I thought needed errata or some sort of tempering. I was keen to test the idea of perhaps making an errata set, at least as a personal thought.
I started, as you do, with OR. When I looked at the pieces I had played against and the ones I knew to be powerful, I could only really think of Bastilla, as everything else seemed good, but not frustratingly good. Bastila, while an OR monster, is still not even necessarily an auto-include thanks to recent additions to the faction, and I don't see an overabundance of OR on our tables, but I thought, 'well, I have to start somewhere', so I put her on my list with a question mark. I know some people have said that perhaps she should have started with 2 force points.
Sith was next and, as I looked over the pieces, I saw lots of amazing ones but nothing that I hadn't seen being beats at some point or another. Caedus was closest to the top for me with his cadre of impressive and very scary force powers, but still, I didn't feel he was a massive problem. Another addition to the list with a question mark.
Republic came next and I thought, 'now the fun begins', but I was somewhat disappointed. ERCs are the big talking point at the mo, but I didn't find them to be the next big NPE when I faced them at HamilCon. Then we have Mace, that 65pt monster that won far more than it lost when it first appeared... but is he in need of errata? I didn't think so. Another question. GOWK? A pain, sure, but I don't see enough of him to worry. R2 felt big for me as I lose a lot to him... maybe he could have some kind of restriction... it was, at least, as close as I had cone to actually wanting to change something, but it still didn't feel quite right.
Thank goodness for Seps. Before looking at the pieces they have, I wrote CDOs and Poggle. I'm pretty certain I want those ones munted in some way. After that, however, it was more great pieces that didn't seem to need anything that badly.
Well, as kept looking over factions and their top pieces, I couldn't help feeling that there was nothing too wrong with them. Sure, some good pieces - some great pieces - but in need of errata? I didn't think so. Rebels have Tantives maybe, NR didn't seem too monstrous, Fringe had some contenders but, apart from the underpriced Klat, nothing that I felt needed any work done. Mandos have the blustery Neo Officers and Vongs new cool stuff finally makes them a big threat (about time!). It was only Imperials that gave me pause for thought: I'm still scared of Daala (something we won't be able to test in NZ until July) and I hate Thrawn swaps... unless I'm running them.
But that, for me, was it. CDOs, Poggle, Tantives, Klats and a whole series of question marks. Not sure if it was an exhaustive search on my part but it was just an exercise. I'm pretty happy with everything in the game at the mo.
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Sithborg wrote:pegolego wrote:EPIC 3 was cancelled? No. It just never really got started. It took a lot to convince others that it was a worthwhile idea. It is actually in process and hopefully online for a release before Gencon although at this point it might well be after Gencon or with the gencon set.
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urbanjedi wrote:Sithborg wrote:pegolego wrote:EPIC 3 was cancelled? No. It just never really got started. It took a lot to convince others that it was a worthwhile idea. It is actually in process and hopefully online for a release before Gencon although at this point it might well be after Gencon or with the gencon set. Awesome! Best news you could have given!
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General_Grievous wrote:urbanjedi wrote:Sithborg wrote:pegolego wrote:EPIC 3 was cancelled? No. It just never really got started. It took a lot to convince others that it was a worthwhile idea. It is actually in process and hopefully online for a release before Gencon although at this point it might well be after Gencon or with the gencon set. Awesome! Best news you could have given! I'm glad to hear this level of interest in the project! I am one of the people in charge of it. We had a good start, but life and other commitments got in the way. All 12 of the pieces (at least 1 per faction!) are ready for playtesting and some have already received some PTs. The only factor holding us back at this point is a lack of playtesting. Please PM me if you'd like to be a playtester for this project. EDIT: I'll start a new thread for this, so that we don't derail the current thread.
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