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#1) Does the attack from Force pull count as damage from the Force Power itself? (in other words, if you hit w/the attack, does it meet the criteria for Force Fury 19?)
#2) Does Force Pull X provoke attacks of Opportunity? (I think "no", but want an officiall answer)
#3) Can Force Pull X put an enemy character in a pit and force them to make the "falling" save? (my thoughts are the same as in #2)
And one more not about Galen: Does Nomi Sunrider's CE affect only abilities with the word "range" in their definition? (In other words, will it have an effect on "Force Repulse x"?)
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1) No, the Force Power simply allows you to make an attack but it is not damage from a FP.
2) No, it does not. This will be in the FAQ or Glossary Text.
3) No, you have to put them in a legal square.
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Thanks for the quick response. The answers you gave are as I expected, just wanted it to be official. Thanks.
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Follow up: When choosing the final placement for the moved piece, do I have to choose the nearest space to the enemy's starting position? I don't see this point discussed in the glossary. Or, which would be pretty wizard, could I move the enemy to any square adjacent to me, potentially moving it more than 6 squares?
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So...any adjacent square?
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There's nothing in the glossary or FAQ that says it has to be the closest square, only that the square must be legal. So, I'd assume any square.
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Any legal square is fine.
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Another followup question:
If Galen pulls an enemy adjacent to himself and a SpecForce Vanguard, does the movement trigger Mines?
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Yes.
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hmmm now that is a fun combo to play...
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Could I get an explanation for why Force Pull triggers mines? I'm having difficulty understanding the reason since the mines special ability states that it triggers when an enemy move adjacent to the character with mines, and in this case Galen isn't the one moving. Thanks.
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Force Pull state that the target is moved. Thus the target of Pull triggers Mines. The only thing it doesn't trigger is AoO, because it specifically says so.
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So it doesn't matter that Galen isn't technically moving just that movement is happening, via the pull and that Galen ends up adjacent?
Also, push and repulse don't trigger mines because they aren't specifically moving pieces?
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Galen isn't the one moving. The target is moving adjacent to Galen, and in this case, an ally of Galen who has mines. All that matters is that the character is moving.
Push and Repulse do trigger Mines, because it is movement. Pretty much if it says "move", it is movement. The defination of "pushing" says it is movement.
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I just realized I read the question wrong. I didn't realize the Specforce was next to Galen. I thought he was pulling a specforce to him.
If Galen did pull a specforce to him, that wouldn't trigger mines right?
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No, because the Specforce character is the one moving, not Galen.
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I keep thinking of more questions...
Force Pull itself does not do damage, but does the attack it generates qualify for using Force Fury if the enemy takes damage?
Also, if the enemy is damaged in the Mines scenario as a result of being pulled, does that count?
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No. The attack and mines are seperate instances from the force power. To qualify, the power must target and say it deals damage.
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Sithborg wrote:No. The attack and mines are separate instances from the force power. To qualify, the power must target and say it deals damage. That's what I figured, just making sure. Thanks!
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One last thing, I remember hearing somewhere that any kind of movement could qualify for Galloping Attack e.g. YoBuck being towed. With that said let's say I pull YoBuck. I would get a slap in the face when I move Yogurt adjacent to me, wouldn't I?
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