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Squadbuilding rules, deferred squadbuilding, etc. Options
FlyingArrow
Posted: Monday, March 3, 2014 1:02:41 PM
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I'm trying to get a handle on squadbuilding interactions, particularly deferred squadbuilding.

Rapport, Affinity, and Unique all are in effect during squadbuilding. Reserves and Reinforcements are considered deferred squadbuilding, so they are all in effect at that time. (Defeated characters are still considered to be "in the squad", so defeated characters still affect Rapport/Affinity/Unique when Reserves trigger.)

Betrayal and other abilities that cause characters to change sides are not considered squadbuilding, so Unique does not trigger. Nor do the normal faction restrictions. Question #1: If applicable, does Rapport trigger for characters that switch sides? This would only matter for scoring points.

Question #2: Is Bribery considered deferred squadbuilding like Reinforcements is? I see 3 options:
a) Yes. You may not bribe away a Unique character that is already in your squad.
b) No. Affinity does not apply, so with your initial Bribery selection you may not include characters who are not naturally in your faction. Unique does not apply, so with your initial Bribery selection, you may include a second copy of a Unique character that you already have in your squad.
c) Yes/No. Your initial selection is considered deferred squadbuilding (like Reinforcements). Your second selection is not considered deferred squadbuilding. Instead, it is a change of sides (like Betrayal), so faction restrictions, Unique, etc are ignored.

Question #3: Is Frozen In Carbonite considered deferred squadbuilding?
a) Yes. Unique still applies. Affinity still applies. Jaina Solo allows a Rebel Han to be in a New Republic squad, so if Jaina is in a NR squad, then you can choose a Rebel Han to be the replacement character. (This is not the ruling.)
b) No. This is not squadbuilding, so faction restrictions, Unique, etc. are ignored. Since faction restrictions are ignored, you can include a Rebel Han. (This is not the ruling.)
c) Frozen in Carbonite is a special case and does not serve as a precedent for other abilities.
[Sorry, I'm really having trouble fitting the Frozen in Carbonite ruling into any sensible framework. I could use some help on this one.]
Sithborg
Posted: Monday, March 3, 2014 1:46:39 PM
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1. No.
2. c
3. c. Han in Carbonite is a bit of a tricky situation. You must have a set Han when you include Han in Carbonite.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:26:29 PM
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Sithborg,

Thanks. That's very helpful. What about these?

Question #4: Is Pellaeon's CE considered deferred squadbuilding?
a) Yes. Unique still applies. (You can choose a different version of the same character, though, because the replaced character is no longer considered to be "in the squad".) Affinity still applies. Rapport applies. (99% sure this is the answer but I couldn't find that confirmed anywhere.)
b) No. This is not squadbuilding, so no faction restrictions. Unique, etc. are ignored.

Question #5: Is Versatility considered deferred squadbuilding?
a) Yes. Unique still applies. (Unique works because the replaced version is no longer considered "in the squad".) Affinity still applies. Rapport applies.
b) No. This is not squadbuilding, so no faction restrictions. Unique, etc. are ignored.
c) This is a special case. I believe the answer should be (a), but I think it was ruled to be some odd (c) answer like Frozen in Carbonite. If it is (c), I could use some help understanding the logic.

Question #6: Is Vehicle considered deferred squadbuilding?
a) Yes. Unique still applies. (Unique works because the replaced version is no longer considered "in the squad".) Affinity still applies. Rapport applies. (99% sure this is the answer but I couldn't find that confirmed anywhere.)
b) No. This is not squadbuilding, so no faction restrictions. Unique, etc. are ignored.
urbanjedi
Posted: Monday, March 3, 2014 8:32:01 PM
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Rapport also doesn't trigger any longer if a character has been defeated. If you start with Gha, then he is defeated, then roll Clobot Reserves, any droids you bring in are regular price.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 8:34:02 PM
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urbanjedi wrote:
Rapport also doesn't trigger any longer if a character has been defeated. If you start with Gha, then he is defeated, then roll Clobot Reserves, any droids you bring in are regular price.


Interesting. Are all of these correct, then?

1:
Gha in main squad. 15 Mice through CLobot's reserves. All worth 2 points if defeated.

2:
Gha in main squad. Gha is defeated. 10 Mice through CLobot's reserves. All worth 3 points when defeated.

3:
R7 in main squad.
Gha in CLobot's first set of reserves.
15 Mice through CLobot's second set of reserves.
Gha is defeated.
10 Mice through CLobot's third set of reserves.

R7 is defeated for 8 points.
First 15 Mice are defeated for 2 points each.
Second set (10 Mice) are defeated for 3 points each.

Is that correct?
urbanjedi
Posted: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 10:18:50 PM
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Those all look correct.
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