Lets start back in 2005. I got into the game with a few of my friends because it was simple and really easy to play.
After our second year of college with the big break from UH to BH or AE whatever it was. A lot of my friends moved on.
I really just played for fun from 2005 to 2008 locally with Tim,Mark and Steve. We played types of games to really keep things fresh. I would play what was fun to me.

In 2008 I met Bill and really got to know the game on a different level. Hoth Just became legal and we wanted to test on it or were testing on it to see if it was ok to play. I really liked that map because you could first turn strike and not have to work about spinning pieces.

So there was a tournament in at the Rosemont near Chicago. I took Boba Merc, Garm, Han RH and acts. I did not play Dod because I was not a fan that type of play and never have been.Boba Fett is one of my fav star wars characters and I really like movement breakers. A lot of people didnt know Hoth and I was able to catch people off guard.

After Gencon 2008 after KOTOR came out. I started playing wookiees a lot because they were fun to play and I enjoyed them. Then CW came out. I started playing Rex, Wookiees, Gree,R2. Tim, Deri, Bill really didnt see it coming for our small tournament over at Bills. Then GOWK got Changed to ALL attacks.

So I went with Gungans because the wookiees just got stopped. The gungan are really fun to play and really work with my play style and that Jedi Temple was a really strong map for them.

So During that Time I really learned Maps and played what I wanted to play and let that fit the meta.

During the Regional Season in 2010 I played Yodabuck because I had never really played him and wanted to see how that worked. Needed to fit the squad to my play style. So I added Jar Jar at the last min.

Regional 2010 Chicago. MOTF just came out and I wanted to play some of the new pieces. I knew Lancer, Yodabuck would be strong so I played Alynn and the new Anakin.

Every Time I would play what I wanted to play and let it fit the meta. I really feel the Vsets have lost that creative feel of squad building and its more what you see is what you get. I really do think Yodbuck, Lancer, Arica were good for the game because they balanced out the high acts so you didnt have to play them.

Overall I just don't like the feel the game is back to high acts and see is what you get back in the ROTS days. Creative squad building has been lost. You really have to build for the meta and then for yourself which it should be the other way around.

For the record I use to build squads more than most and am pretty creative at squad building so saying your just not thinking outside the box. I believe there is more to it.

I really believe the designers needed to have less focus on the top level play back when things started and just build.

So I tried to come back but feel the game is too limiting and is pretty much a new game. Its not about all the factions being able to fight it should be about creating creative squads and keeping the game fresh without all the limits that have been put on the game in the last two years.

All of the anti Yodabuck, Lancer, Arica was just too much and has turned the game back to swarm city. To be honest I really liked the balance of the game after Vset 4 I believe and after that feel things have just changed too much.

All the map changes and all the new stuff to counter stuff just turned the game into a new game for me. The focus of the game should be pick up games and just having fun. Top level play has been too focused on and the heart of the game really was the youth and that was lost at the beginning of the Vsets.

My Fav set is DOTF there was a plan and it really has worked. I really liked Vset 2 it had a focus and a plan.

Sorry but kind of feel the game has lost focus from a game play. Its just too hard for old players not even new players to even want to play the game again. Really its Star wars miniatures 2.0 even if you guys don't see it.

From a person that has been out of the game for 3+ years it really is.

its not mini's 2.0

actually, the resistance to altering rules and banning figs prevents that.

Jonny just can't get it into his head that 360 figures have been made since he left the game and the puzzle confuses him.

I played a different squad in each game during the NZ tourney and i've barely scratched the surface of builds i have in my mind. If anything turns people away its the sheer weight of figures available. You can pretty much build whatever type of squad you want and if its built well and played well it will do well.

The post is a whine, there is nothing constructive there.

Saying stuff like that only starts arguments, he was expressing his opinion and how he feels about the game he shouldn't be attacked or judged on how he feels maybe try looking at it from his point of view in stead of your own? Idk but BMW has enough threads where arguments have happened let's not make this another one please.

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back in the old days we couldn't get away with personal attacks like that.

I didn't get that from him but everyone receives and understands things differently I'm not saying he's right or your wrong but saying he's whineing is a little rude u could have said this does give any specific details and I disagree with u because.... N go on to tell him why. Maybe it was better back then maybe we ruined it? Either way u look it it's an opinion me personally I love the v-sets n I think the game is still going strong n is better than ever some people will disagree but it doesn't bother me because all that matters is what I think n if I can persuade them other wise then great but I'm not gonna put down (not saying u did) people or call them Whiney or whatever the case may be well all need to get along SWM doesn't have much left to it and the v-sets are keeping it alive. Let's not destroy ourselfs from the inside but bring others from the outside in. (end rant lol)

Personally I really liked the state of the game right before Daala gathered attention. There was soooo many different squad types available and other than the Vong every faction had several different squad types. I'm not a fan of the Lancers, period. I'm glad they got nerfed and honestly I think it was overdue. Notice I think strafe is a good idea, but Lancer squads were a bit ridicules IMHO. There is soooo many different good competitive pieces right now that you aren't stuck like SWM's was in the pre-v-set days, Either Lancers or Yobuck, Gowk or Gowk counter, Snowspeeder or Solo Charge or Cade Bane's Blues. (forgive my ignorance as to the time frames of when what was dominating) It seems to me that back then you were pretty limited with what was a really good squad, especially in tier 1. Now adays we have like ten times that list with PLENTY of squad options that are viable. Even with Daala in the Meta we still have plenty of squad types to take her on. Am I a fan of high act squads that rely on spinning and act control? Heck no, in fact I hope we see more counters to it like the Mandos have. But to say that back then you had a lot more versatility and today your stuck with swarms or Anti swarms is just plain BS. These are the same issues you had back then except now you actually have some counters to those issues! Momaw helps against swarms so you don't need to ALWAYS play Strafe or something.
I don't really care to play tier 1 squads anyway preferring to play tier 2 with the VAST selection in squad types it has.
If Daala is a problem then have a gentlemans agreement not to play her (or whatever you think is over the top powerful) but if your wanting to play competitively then you may need to get acclimated to the 'newer' squads and find some creative squads, like I have seen recently.


Regardless of what anyone says, the V-set teams have done a phenomenal job with this game!

Better then what I or anyone else would do and heck I'll say it, they have done a better job with designing pieces then the Wizards of the Coast ever did.

To some it up:
1. I feel the meta is still far more free then it was pre-V-sets, even with Daala.
2.The V-set teams are not to blame! They're doing a good job, the issues that you've had are really the same problems that we had then.
3. Mini's 2.0? Maybe, but the game is better now then it was then. I feel it is more flavorful and better balanced.
4. Getting new players in a game that really isn't being produced by a company is going to be really hard anyway. The game isn't 'dead' but it certainly won't have quite the appeal of a game that is still coming hot off the presses. (take Heroclix or X-wing for example) it's not that the game is harder to play now then before, but rather that it isn't the new hotness that it was.

The republic are pretty awesome though. They've got loads of squads. Tim is big on restraint with republic designs in my experience, that's true. I don't feel its ever been excessive.

I'm a rock player and I'm not a fan of the current meta, but some of my friends love it.
The meta shifts from year to year and that helps keep the game interesting.
Unlike the old days, we have several Tier 1 squads to play not just one.
I am constantly discovering new interactions and "combos" for new squads to build.
I love coming up with weird Tier 2 squads to surprise the hell out of people.
Sometimes even tier 2 Hate squads have their day...

I understand that you haven't had these insights because you've been out of the game for over three years.
Tim is a valued member of our community, He has given much his time and energy to help continue our game.
He encourages new players and gives advise to other players to help them improve their game.
Sometimes after winning a regional championship Tim has donated all of his winnings back to the community.
So if you have a complaint with the game, your pointing it in the wrong direction if your pointing it at Tim.
I don't know what your personal beef with Tim is but it doesn't belong here.

Tim is broken? Which Tim? If it's Timmerb123 don't think we can come up with an errata for him. (And why would you want to? He's a pretty good guy.)

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