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Post subject: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:58 am
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Buzz Droid (When adjacent to a enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 10 damage and is buzzed. Each time a buzzed enemy activates it takes 10 damage, may not attack while moving and may not move double speed, save 16. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer buzzed.
I know its another new ability but I know no other way to implement what buzz droid do.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:08 am
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Buzz Droid (When adjacent to a enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is Buzzed and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a Buzzed enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer Buzzed.)
I'd rather this fig be fringe.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:41 am
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fingersandteeth wrote:
fingersandteeth wrote:
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Buzz Droid (When adjacent to a enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is Buzzed and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a Buzzed enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer Buzzed.)
I'd rather this fig be fringe.
Do we want another 20 defense droid with HK around?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:08 am
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its 6 points, 5 with rapport so no where near a mouse droid level of annoyance and its function is limited.
I guess it shouldn't be out front anyway so i could easily drop its def.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:17 pm
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Mechanics aside, can we come up with better verbage than "buzzed"? It sounds kinda silly to me. Sabotage? Destruct? Dismantle?
. . . The enemy takes 20 damage, is being dismantled and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time an enemy who is being dismantled activates, it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character takes no damage and is no longer being dismantled.)
Just brainstorming here
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:33 pm
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Awww, i was hoping for some potential wise cracks around the table.
"hey dude, your lancer is, like, well buzzed"
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Buzz Droid (When adjacent to a enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning.)
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Awww, i was hoping for some potential wise cracks around the table.
"hey dude, your lancer is, like, well buzzed"
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Buzz Droid (When adjacent to a enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning.)
Those wisecracks will still happen regardless.
I like malfunctioning
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:54 pm
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How is malfunctioning different from corrupted or burning?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:11 pm
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messes up movement and attacks as well as causing damage.
It's written in the description of the ability.
Neither burning or corruption are listed abilities, they are a definitions that are part of the force power, force corruption, and burning attack special ability.
It functions in a similar fashion but the effect is very different.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:59 pm
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messes up movement and attacks as well as causing damage.
It's written in the description of the ability.
Neither burning or corruption are listed abilities, they are a definitions that are part of the force power, force corruption, and burning attack special ability.
It functions in a similar fashion but the effect is very different.
Ah yes, I see it now. I was reading it as damage only with the other factors being part of buzz droid.
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Wording seems weird. When is a character considered adjacent? Immediately..at the end of turn?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:31 am
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:42 am
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fingersandteeth wrote:
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I feel like the SA currently doesn't say that. Should it?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:49 am
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Buzz Droid (Whenever an enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities move adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning.)
like this?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:51 am
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That only affects it outside of its own turn, I thought you wanted it during and outside, just not sure how that would be worded.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:00 pm
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Buzz Droid (Whenever an enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities become adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning.)
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:17 pm
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What happens when you become adjacent to 2 such enemies at once? Do they both take the effect?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:27 pm
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simultaneous effect, acting players choice.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:52 pm
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I don't undertand your response.
If I move a buzz droid adjacent to 2 enemies with vehicle at the same time - do they BOTH take 20 and get the effects, or do you have to choose one or the other?
On the flipside, if a strafer runs over 2 of these guys at once, is it 40 damage and 2 saves every turn? Or does only the initial damage stack?
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:30 pm
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If I move a buzz droid adjacent to 2 enemies with vehicle at the same time - do they BOTH take 20 and get the effects, or do you have to choose one or the other?
choose. (simultaneous effect)
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On the flipside, if a strafer runs over 2 of these guys at once, is it 40 damage and 2 saves every turn? Or does only the initial damage stack?
40 dmg. (resolve each buzz droid individually)
one save. (you don't stack corruptions, why would you stack malfunctioning?)
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On the flipside, if a strafer runs over 2 of these guys at once, is it 40 damage and 2 saves every turn? Or does only the initial damage stack?
40 dmg. (resolve each buzz droid individually)
one save. (you don't stack corruptions, why would you stack malfunctioning?)
OK - agree with this
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If I move a buzz droid adjacent to 2 enemies with vehicle at the same time - do they BOTH take 20 and get the effects, or do you have to choose one or the other?
choose. (simultaneous effect)
This one is more confusing and may need a glossary entry. People may think it works like self destruct and they both take it.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:18 pm
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On the flipside, if a strafer runs over 2 of these guys at once, is it 40 damage and 2 saves every turn? Or does only the initial damage stack?
40 dmg. (resolve each buzz droid individually)
one save. (you don't stack corruptions, why would you stack malfunctioning?)
Yeah, that's not correct. The damage on the "corruption" saves don't stack either. Tim is right, only the initial save would potentially stack.
But I'm not convinced it would work like that. Two instances of Mines don't stack per movement, thus, just like with Riposte, you couldn't trigger more than one Buzz Droid per instance of movement.
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i don't understand the confusion here
you have a buzz droid and move it next to 2 guys, you have to pick the one it affects. It doesn't blow up, it affects an individual piece. Note the wording is all singular. If you really think that is confusing then it could be spelt out.
If you fly over 2 simultaneously its 40 damage (2x20 dmg), there is no save so it just happens. Then if you activate, you save ONCE because you are malfunctioning.
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I understand it now. Don't know how to make the ability more clear. It's a new, unique ability with a lot to it.
What confused me more was the simultaneous effects comment. It's not simultaneous effects - there is only one effect and you have to choose a target to apply it to.
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well it kind of is simultaneous in that you have a choice at the time, you can't do both so you pick one.
But you are more correct.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:36 pm
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If you fly over 2 simultaneously its 40 damage (2x20 dmg), there is no save so it just happens. Then if you activate, you save ONCE because you are malfunctioning.
I interpreted your post as saying, that the save would be for 40 damage, not 20. Tim was only talking about the post initial blow up. My apologies.
Probably will change the "an" to a "1", to make it clear it is a singular effect. Somewhat unclear in the moving adjacent to 2 valid targets.
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Cool - that's what I was getting at. 1 does make it more clear.
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Buzz Droid (Whenever 1 enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities become adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning.)
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fingersandteeth wrote:
fingersandteeth wrote:
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Buzz Droid (Whenever 1 enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities become adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning.)
So, trying to limit all effects to 1 enemy?
or initial damage to any adjacent, then subsequent effects against 1?
Either way, having the 1 where it is makes it read a little weird to me, like it requires 1 and only 1 enemy to be adjacent for it to happen. I dunno.
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Buzz Droid (Whenever an enemy with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from the battle grid, it is defeated. The enemy takes 20 damage, is malfunctioning and can no longer make attacks this turn. Each time a malfunctioning enemy activates it takes 20 damage, may only attack or move and may not move double speed, save 11. On a success the character take no damage and is no longer malfunctioning. In the case of moving adjacent to more than one character with mounted weapon, vehicle or strafe attack special abilities, choose one to affect.)
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Nice, I think you covered everything. Perhaps it can be shortened, but if not, very understandable. :)
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Probably doesn't matter as this SA may not show up again, but let me know what you think of this condensed wording. (saves 100+ chars)
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Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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from what I can see Swinefeld's covers everything just fine.
Also - the last sentence may not be needed on the card. I may just be needed in the glossary.
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Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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Also - the last sentence for Buzz Dorid may not be needed on the card. I may just be needed in the glossary.
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Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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Also - the last sentence for Buzz Dorid may not be needed on the card. I may just be needed in the glossary.
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 5
Hit Points 10
Defense 20
Attack +2
Damage 10
Special Abilities
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*Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:07 am
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 5
Hit Points 10
Defense 20
Attack +2
Damage 10
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
*Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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glaring omission added (thanks to FlyingArrow)
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lol
good catch
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Same as the LIN droid, no surprises in this piece, works as advertized.
Lobot reinforcement that gives squads a chance but cheaper than the LIN.
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Do we really want to have someone be able to add 5 of these guys with Gha?
Should we make them 6 points?
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i thought they were 6 points.
Certainly done at 6 points.
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Cost 6 per prior comments.
Buzz Droid revised slightly
I keep looking at it - thinking about Mines and the damage if a strafer flies over 2 of them at the same time. Is it supposed to result in 40 damage in that case?
I'm not sure that interaction is covered adequately.
I think Scott should look at it again. It might need something along the lines of Magma Pebble's wording added in regards to the damage. (if 40 is intent in that situation)
Maybe I'm overthinking it...
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 20
Attack +2
Damage 10
Special Abilities
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Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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Much like Mines, you are affected once per square of movement.
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Sithborg wrote:
Much like Mines, you are affected once per square of movement.
Thanks, that's what I thought reading it. But would both Buzz Droids get removed?
The wording only covers 2 enemies becoming adjacent, not the other way around.
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Yeah, I see your point. Misremembered on how this ability was supposed to work. I'll be back.
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the initial damage (20 currently) is applied per buzz droid removed.
i.e. you fly over 2 simultaneously and you'll take 40.
Malfunctioning doesn't stack though.
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the initial damage (20 currently) is applied per buzz droid removed.
i.e. you fly over 2 simultaneously and you'll take 40.
Malfunctioning doesn't stack though.
Right - that's what we're trying to work out. The wording to support simultaneous initial damage isn't there (yet).
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2 buzz droids are 2 separate events happening simultaneously.
like running over 2 sets of mines.
I don't see why there needs to be other wording.
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I'll leave it to Scott to determine if it needs anything else, as it's a bit weird.
Just want to make sure the wording works under the rules to match intent.
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2 buzz droids are 2 separate events happening simultaneously.
like running over 2 sets of mines.
I don't see why there needs to be other wording.
Except you only trigger one mines save per square of movement, no matter how may figures with Mines you move adjacent to. I'm not to certain how to word it to work as desired. The real issue is that it would be simultaneous.
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i see what you mean.
try this
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Buzz Droid [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage for each Buzz Droid removed, cannot attack for the rest of that turn and is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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another way to do this is by splitting it, or renaming it or both.
That way malfunctioning attacks can be used again also.
i.e.
Magnetic Pad [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage for each character removed by Magnetic Pad. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning Damage [An enemy damaged by this character is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning.]
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another way to do this is by splitting it, or renaming it or both.
That way malfunctioning attacks can be used again also.
That might be a better way to go.
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Magnetic Pad [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage for each character removed by Magnetic Pad. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Now it does not prevent further attacks that turn. Intended?
Perhaps it could just say (this damage stacks) or something to that effect?
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Malfunctioning Damage [An enemy damaged by this character is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning.]
My standard streamline suggestion if this gains traction:
Malfunctioning Damage [An enemy damaged by this character is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning.]
side note: don't know if we've been entirely consistent about capitalizing terms for these types of effects, but corruption doesn't, so let's follow that.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:29 am
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Now it does not prevent further attacks that turn. Intended?
Perhaps it could just say (this damage stacks) or something to that effect?
No, nice catch.
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Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, and cannot attack for the rest of the turn. This damage stacks. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
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My standard streamline suggestion if this gains traction:
Malfunctioning Damage [An enemy damaged by this character is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 20 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning.]
side note: don't know if we've been entirely consistent about capitalizing terms for these types of effects, but corruption doesn't, so let's follow that.
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Yeah, i noticed that it was different from corruption but i chose to use the corruption template. You and Scott can ultimately decide the semantics, i only care about function (and card space when its an issue).
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Ok, so splitting the wording makes it much easier to deal with and although the wording below might not be final, i think the fig is.
I've added a electric shock to them and reduced their malfunctioning damage to +10, with card dmg at 0.
Seems more like what a buzz droid would do.
Also the recommended mini should be an ASN assassin droid really. Not sure why i didn't think of that before.
40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 20
Attack +7
Damage +0
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
Electric Shock 10 [+10 Damage against adjacent Droid enemies]
Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, and cannot attack for the rest of the turn. This damage stacks with other simultaneous Magnetic Sabotage. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning Damage 10 [A non-living enemy damaged by this characters attacks or an enemy damaged by Magnetic Sabotage is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning.]
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Ok, so splitting the wording makes it much easier to deal with and although the wording below might not be final, i think the fig is.
I've added a electric shock to them and reduced their malfunctioning damage to +10, with card dmg at 0.
Seems more like what a buzz droid would do.
Also the recommended mini should be an ASN assassin droid really. Not sure why i didn't think of that before.
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 18
Attack +7
Damage +0
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
Electric Shock 10 [+10 Damage against adjacent Droid enemies]
Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy takes 20 damage, and cannot attack for the rest of the turn. This damage stacks with other simultaneous Magnetic Sabotage. If 2 or more enemies subject to this ability become adjacent simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning Damage 10 [A non-living enemy damaged by this character or an enemy damaged by Magnetic Sabotage is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and that character is no longer malfunctioning.]
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Also the recommended mini should be an ASN assassin droid really. Not sure why i didn't think of that before.
Because Prowl is using it
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fingersandteeth wrote:
Also the recommended mini should be an ASN assassin droid really. Not sure why i didn't think of that before.
Because Prowl is using it
good point.
Gonk it is then.
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Taking a crack at smoothing out the wording. Maybe just call it Malfunction 10?
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 18
Attack +7
Damage +0
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
Electric Shock +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent Droid enemies]
Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy cannot attack for the rest of that turn and takes 20 damage. (This damage stacks.) When 2 or more enemies would be affected simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning Damage 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or by an allied character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning.]
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swinefeld wrote:
Taking a crack at smoothing out the wording. Maybe just call it Malfunction 10?
Agreed with Malfunctioning and the wording looks good to me.
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 18
Attack +7
Damage +0
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
Electric Shock +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent Droid enemies]
Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy cannot attack for the rest of that turn and takes 20 damage. (This damage stacks.) When 2 or more enemies would be affected simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or by an allied character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning.]
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Rules question.
It's clear a malfunctioning character can only move up to its speed when it activates, but what about when it is pawned?
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Nothing. Do you want it to be fixed?
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Not necessarily. Just want to be clear either way.
So - the movement and attack restrictions only happen on their own turn.
Lancers would still get owned once they are malfunctioning. Most often you pawn first and use the regular turn to come back.
Perhaps to make it crystal clear we should add "on it's turn" to the definition of malfunctioning.
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no, leave it as it is.
The ability is consistent with corruption/burning attacks and the precedent is already with corruption and pawn. If you wouldn't make a corruption save with a PotDS then neither will you with Malfunctioning
The relationship should be the same between the two sets of abilities and so no further wording is required.
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no, leave it as it is.
The ability is consistent with corruption/burning attacks and the precedent is already with corruption and pawn. If you wouldn't make a corruption save with a PotDS then neither will you with Malfunctioning
The relationship should be the same between the two sets of abilities and so no further wording is required.
Sirs,
Corruption/burning attacks only have damage and a save, and they only happen on activation. Malfunctioning adds a non-damaging effect: "may only attack or move up to its speed". The non-damaging effect could be made an ongoing effect and not part of the save with this wording:
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or by an allied character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be malfunctioning. A malfunctioning character may only attack or move up to its speed on its turn. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning.]
If the designers wanted that effect, and the only reason it was avoided was to be consistent with corruption/burning attacks, then I believe the above is still consistent with corruption/burning attacks. (After all, the non-damaging effect has no precedent.) On the other hand, if the intention is for malfunctioning characters to be able to move and attack as normal when pawned then feel free to ignore this message.
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ok, so the damage and non-damaging aspect should go hand in hand.
i.e. if you take 10 dmg then you can only move or attack.
if pawning prevents one, it prevents both.
is this a better wording?
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or an enemy affected by an allied character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be Malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates, it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 10 damage and can only move up to its speed or attack. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning.]
a point to note;
Magnetic sabotage affects more characters types than just non-living thus the wording "or an enemy affected by an allied character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability"
some strafers and vehicles are not non-living thus why this addition is there, please avoid making the ability applicable to only non-living, some living characters will be affected by magnetic sabotage and will malfunction.
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fingersandteeth wrote:
is this a better wording?
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or an enemy affected by an allied character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be Malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates, it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 10 damage and can only move up to its speed or attack. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning.]
I don't think the original wording was bad, but I do think that wording is better - it matches up more closely with corruption/burning attacks. But it does take a few more words.
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one last change
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Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be Malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates, it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 10 damage and can only move up to its speed or attack. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning.]
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:02 am
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fingersandteeth wrote:
one last change
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Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be Malfunctioning. Each time a Malfunctioning character activates, it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 10 damage and can only move up to its speed or attack. On a success, that character is no longer Malfunctioning.]
That makes a lot more sense. I was going to ask about that.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:05 pm
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updated text - thoughts below
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40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 18
Attack +7
Damage +0
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
Electric Shock +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent Droid enemies]
Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy cannot attack for the rest of that turn and takes 20 damage. (This damage stacks.) When 2 or more enemies would be affected simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning.]
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I cut down the wording on Malfunctioning 10. With that, the 2 new SAs are 9 and 8 lines of text at 6pt font. If you really want to follow the corruption wording more rigidly, we can do that. The card may be full to the point of dropping FT. (not a big deal, just a lot of text for a 6pt reinforcement piece)
I don't have any immediate suggestions for making it work better, but it seems the potential for reusing these SAs apart from each other has lessened a bit.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:29 pm
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that wordings fine.
future Malfunctioning would be
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning.]
there is no need for them to be tied.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:34 pm
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OK, I guess this is done since the abilities were split prior to sign off, and we only fiddled with wordings after that.
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** DONE **
40. Buzz Droid -- Fringe -- RM: Gonk Power Droid
Cost 6
Hit Points 10
Defense 18
Attack +7
Damage +0
Special Abilities
Droid. Melee Attack
Electric Shock +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent Droid enemies]
Magnetic Sabotage [Whenever an enemy with Mounted Weapon, Vehicle or Strafe Attack becomes adjacent to this character, immediately remove this character from play; it is defeated. That enemy cannot attack for the rest of that turn and takes 20 damage. (This damage stacks.) When 2 or more enemies would be affected simultaneously, choose one to affect.]
Malfunctioning 10 [A nonliving enemy damaged by this character or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability is considered to be malfunctioning. Each time a malfunctioning character activates it takes 10 damage and may only attack or move up to its speed; save 11 negates and it is no longer malfunctioning.]
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:41 am
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Three characters probably doesn't make any difference, but at one point someone called the ability Malfunction 10 instead of Malfunctioning 10. If that saves a line of text at any font size it might be worth changing for future considerations.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:09 am
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I don't think the phrasing "or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability" is necessary. The first ability causes damage. The damage causes the second. Similar to the Sith Inquisitor's flavor: force power causes damage and that damage triggers Master of Pain.
But I think that was stated earlier more succinctly.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:29 am
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Markedman247 wrote:
I don't think the phrasing "or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability" is necessary. The first ability causes damage. The damage causes the second. Similar to the Sith Inquisitor's flavor: force power causes damage and that damage triggers Master of Pain.
But I think that was stated earlier more succinctly.
The second phrase is there because Magnetic Sabotage affects some living characters. On a normal attack, it only triggers if the target is nonliving.
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Post subject: Re: Buzz DroidPostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:57 am
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Markedman247 wrote:
I don't think the phrasing "or an enemy affected by this character’s Magnetic Sabotage ability" is necessary. The first ability causes damage. The damage causes the second. Similar to the Sith Inquisitor's flavor: force power causes damage and that damage triggers Master of Pain.
But I think that was stated earlier more succinctly.
The second phrase is there because Magnetic Sabotage affects some living characters. On a normal attack, it only triggers if the target is nonliving.
Gah! Sorry. That's what I get for reading and commenting while battling sleep deprivation.
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Post subject: Re: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:25 am
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Post subject: Re: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:45 am
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looks good
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Post subject: Re: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:59 am
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fingersandteeth wrote:
looks good
+1, very nice.
I'll wait to stamp it until later, just in case.
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Post subject: Re: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:44 pm
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A comma is needed in Malfunctioning 10. it should read "...character activates, it takes 10..."
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Post subject: Re: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:21 pm
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Markedman247 wrote:
A comma is needed in Malfunctioning 10. it should read "...character activates, it takes 10..."
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Post subject: Re: **Done** Buzz DroidPostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:10 pm
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Ok, with the comma ^ fixed this should be good.
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