play legends version it is already helped over there.

A Deflector Shield piece? THat may actually be helpful.

Deflector Shield (Allies within 6 cannot be targeted by characters further than 6 away from this character)

The only issue i would see would be someone using shooters in it.

I also like force powers that give Melee pieces DR10. It matters against shooters but other Jedi cut through it.

the great doctor and his great ideas, hahahaha.

I would hate to be the man to say it but as long as you can throw up a mouse wall and/or be severely out activated as a trump than melee will need the following instilled in all of them.

Force leap, Soresu with RDE, Knight Speed, and MoF 2. You add those 4 things to all jedi/sith and you can effectively.

Since its clear you all check out jawajuice a lot, just look at those pieces for some starting point ideas, we have been down this route before...

Dark Armor, movement, effective ranged FP to deal damage, giving evade as a CE, giving movement breakers as a CE or force power.

More than that we reward shooters for being close with blast cannon, power blast, Diversion, and other things Like Stingbeam can be used.

Lots of other ideas as well.

I remember playing Sith and using the Sith vader vs pegolego who made a fringe thrawn chiss army that were shooters, trying to be kind of swarmy... Moved 6 with Sith Emperor's CE, moved 6 more, Force wave, dark mastered him with Sidious, Force wave again, game over! killed a lot of shooters in that round. We have anti swarm capabilities on strong melee pieces as well so those shooters can possibly kill the piece that round, but the mass part of their army is devastated. fun game.

I dont know if melee vs shooters is the biggest problem.

As far as Ysalamiri, I would most definitely be looking into abilities for people to bypass that.

i know Luke found a way, I am not sure about any others. But a Luke that can Bypass the bubble can be pretty awesome.

Like that idea.
Maybe a CE that grants them charging assault.

I bought 10 mice, used it once and that was four years ago.

I think activations is one of the biggies.

Not to be petty, but you just described an NPE.

I don't mind if you all post some of your individual solutions. I've been on your page, and saw some of your ideas. Some are good, some are ok, some are total garbage, - which is pretty much par for any set of ideas.

Keep in mind, there's not an interest in making 100 house rules in the community here. We aren't talking about changing game mechanics. Talking about new ideas on new pieces.

I'd even welcome people to post some individual characters as well. Sometimes helps to see an idea in context. Keep in mind I'm not designing anything at the moment, I just thought we'd make a productive conversation here, already off to a good start. So post some of your "best" ideas, not "go play Legends..."

I'll start with one.

Faction - Republic
Master Jedi Trainer (Alternately could be made on a cheap unique, ala Gui-Gon Jinn Jedi Trainer, - for example a cheap Aylla Secura could have this for the Rep)

Cost 25
90 HPs
18 Def
+10 Atk
20 Dmg

Melee, Double, Shien Style Mastery, Affinity NR, OR, Rebels.

Commander Effect:
Allied Force Users with melee attack gain Shien Style while within 6 of an ally with a force rating.

And the cool thing is you can make a mirror for Sith, Imp, and Seps, because they had Sith Shien, which was basically the same.

Melee sucks. And it should suck, after all it's stupid to bring a knife to a gun fight. But from a game point of view Melee suffers be cause of a lack of range, they need to compensate with increased movement, and effectiveness once they get adjacent..... If they get adjacent.

That being said I do think Jedi and Sith limited to Melee attack need to be compensated with better force powers that get them to the fight before they die in a fury of blaster fire.

As for just helping Melee in general through a new character how about this:

Mercenary commander

Hp 70
Def 15
Att 9
Da 20

SA
Melee attack
Double attack
Advantageous cover
Stim drug (replaces attacks, touch, living ally with Melee attack gains speed 10 and twin attack. At the end of his turn he takes 10 damage)

Commander effect
Allies with Melee attack gain advantageous cover.

And just a generic force power to help my Jedi buddies:

Battle reaction (force 2, when hit by an attack this character takes no damage and may immediately move up to half it's speed with a save of 11. This move does not provoke attacks of opportunity)

Thats not an NPE, a bunch of weak shooters trying to face off against Darth Vader and Sidious? they shouldnt even had tried. Of course they should get obliterated. Vader can take on 20 loser guys with guns, he has done it and should be able to do it in the game.


No one has said go play legacy. I stated that Legacy has already tried to balance melee. Meaning that since we have already done it there are some good ideas already out there.


hahaha, total old school vset mentality, give every force user on your squad Shien Style. Yep, a whole friggin style to a whole army of force users. Forget Lightsaber Trainer (which is very powerful) just give everyone a lightsbaer style, something that takes a long time to perfect, but since the game is in such a crap place, lets give it to everyone, that will fix things. oh ya, lets let it be available to every faction and be an auto include, further limiting squad building. oh ya, Aayla, is she even a great user of Shien? What do you think will happen to you when you play a Mace Windu with Flurry attack, Vaapad style mastery, and Shien?

Mod Edit: Drop the personal attacks.