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Well i just got done listening to this weeks show & i really gotta say im really impressed. Alot of good points about the game & what im really impressed by is the direction they are taking the game.
Now i wont lie, i was a little bit weary when i heard they would be releasing V-Sets & taking the game & running with it, but after hearing the show i can safely say im alot more convinced this is a good thing.
What i gotta say mostly impressed me was just the thought that when they do make a V-Set & mind you they dont have to do this at all so its good someone is willing to step-up & continue the game for all of us & take up there time to do so without pay. Anyways what really stuck out to me is when they do release a V-set that before they do it will be play tested & theres a few people in different area's working on there part so what im thinkin that these V-Sets they create are gonna be 10x more accurate & on point than WOTC could ever do. I mean i always said that in my opinion WOTC just didnt have interest & the love for StarWars to really care on what was released & now you have players that love the game gonna pick it up & in my opinion are gonna tke this game on the right track & take it to the next level.
Also i really like the point of why another company would pick the game up. A good point i heard with alot of people saying that WOTC wouldnt let the game go yada yada, well what they said really put me at ease. I always believed another company would pick it up eventually just seeing as the StarWars name but one mentioned & i believe it was Dean well he mentioned that WOTC is in trouble as a company period so seeing another Company pick it up isnt so out of the ball park like everyone thinks. Also how Regionals & GenCon etc. how they are so important to the game surviving that also if a company were to look at the game, if theres still Events like these that the company's would see this & it would open there eyes more. That in my opinion is the most important thing is to keep the game alive & not back down with keeping Major Events & whatnot so that the game stays on the Radar.
So IMO i would say to all, dont look at these dudes as ruining the game, because again i wont lie i had doubt in the back of my mind with them stepping up like they are, well they put that doubt to rest for me. You have to keep the game going like they are doing if a company is ever gonna pick it up. Basically if noone does what they are doing, the game will eventually die down & i think you have to keep the game on the market radar to put at ease a company that maybe would be weary of picking it up.
So before you critisize on this i would really tell you to consider there proposal, & actually listen to what they wanna do for the game before judging, i mean again i was very very doubtful of these guys but listening to them talk & touch the issues were all wondering about, they really hit the nail on the head & im a believer in these guys now. I think everyone should help out in anyway they can & say give these guys a chance before you block out what they wanna do as a negative thing.
So im saying now after hearing there idea's & what not, that im never gonna get in there way of what they wanna do if i ever did i was wrong, because im really impressed. Also im amazed on how unselfish these guys are & didnt believe there were people like that anymore lol. Well figure they dont get paid for this, they do it out of love for the game & really if you think about it mainly doing it for us. It isnt like they are just making new stuff & taking the game forward for themselves. They are actually doing it for the huge fan base. Now you all know me as speaking my mind when i disagree & im gonna say if i ever disagreed on this topic & these guys, that i was completely wrong. So again if you have any doubts in this, listen to this weeks show & give them a chance before you judge.
Now any one else with something about this weeks show.
Also i didnt even know this show existed, i think im gonna be listening every week now
So thanx to all you's... Dean, Bill, etc.
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This weeks show was the first time I was available to attend (and I made a fool of myself during the live show). There were a lot of good points and good discussions.
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I mean for the Virtual Set doubters, i just dont see these sets ruining the game or making a company overlook the game. You figure, if we just keep what we have & dont touch anything with new sets etc. Then its only a matter of time before people get board of the game. & in reality the game will just lose interest. And by everyone losing interest in the game, if a company reviewing the game thinking maybe they will pick it up, well if noone is playing it then theres no money to be made so why even touch it.
As for people saying V-sets will make a company not touch it is bogus. Figure if a few V-Sets were released by these guys, then a company decides to look over the game, well if a company were to pick up the game, then the company could easily discard the V-Sets from legal play & use these sets as a building block to release new sets. I mean to say a company wont touch the game because of sets isnt the case at all, i think it would encourage a company more seeing as the fan base is so strong that you have guys like these dudes actually doing all of this for the game without profit only love for the game. I think it will encourage the company more rather than not wanna touch it.
Like i said, i would give them a chance, its a win-win situation if you decide to embrace them on what they are doing. What do you have to lose? The game is being dropped regardless & if a company wanted to pick it up, it will be a very long time before they do & again i think this will put the game on the market radar than it ever was previously.Lets face it, the game wasnt promoted to its full potential by WOTC & these guys are just starting with this & its already got publicity to compete against WOTC publicity for the game, So again listen to this weeks show & atleast give them a chance before you doubt the idea.
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TreebeardTheEnt wrote:This weeks show was the first time I was available to attend (and I made a fool of myself during the live show). There were a lot of good points and good discussions. haha i think i know who you are, it was funny though so dont feel bad haha. Yea there were so many good points. I mean i never heard these guys talk, & reading lets say what dean rights on the boards, well its hard to fully see the tone they are speaking & sometimes might seem ignorant well you know what, the guy is an average guy like you & me & seems to generally wanna keep the game alive. I dont think he's being selfish at all meaning trying to make a buck or redesign the game to his wants, the guy listens to what we, the players have to say & idea's we put out there. Im really amazed of how unselfish these guys are. & again i've had a few debates with Dean, Bill etc. but after hearing them talk, its more easy to understand what they say rather than read it on forum's & im gonna state that i been a real duchebag on the trouble i cause this guy & for what ya know. Thinking he's selfish & ignorant when its reading what he writes & trying to decide the tone he is speaking in when listening to him hearing the tone he spoke in & realizing man i been way off. They got so many great idea's & its so on point on what i believed WOTC should of done but didnt, so this can only be a postitve thing for the game i see, i just cant find not 1 negative thing in what they wanna do for the game, so thats why i say if you have any doubts i would really listen to this weeks show before you debate. You might have a change of heart like i did & im no easy person to get to back you like i am now once my mind is set ya know.
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Agreed, after listening to the show I was very happy with what they're doing.
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Over all the podcast was very upbeat and hopeful for those who are still playing the game. But Dean, it would be much appreciated if you could tone down the use of our Lord's Name in vain.
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i am finishing up listening to the podcast about the future of star wars miniatures and i had a question. there was mention that miniature market was buying up all the cases it could of past sets. does this mean that they will inflate there prices as an advantage to the situation? i dont know about anyone else but $10.00 is alot to pay for princess leia captive from rebel storm,basically a worthless piece but i would need it if i wanted to fill in the missing pieces of my sets. i am not accusing miniaturemarket of anything but it walways seems like whenever things like this happen there is someone out there waiting to pounce and take advantage of people.
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mrroboto1968 wrote:i am finishing up listening to the podcast about the future of star wars miniatures and i had a question. there was mention that miniature market was buying up all the cases it could of past sets. does this mean that they will inflate there prices as an advantage to the situation? i dont know about anyone else but $10.00 is alot to pay for princess leia captive from rebel storm,basically a worthless piece but i would need it if i wanted to fill in the missing pieces of my sets. i am not accusing miniaturemarket of anything but it walways seems like whenever things like this happen there is someone out there waiting to pounce and take advantage of people. No they are jumping on buying up stuff to make sure we have a place to go to buy minis. A lot of stores will dump their product once the game is done.
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ok thanks for answering my question in a fast and prompt manner,may the force be with you.
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dnemiller wrote:mrroboto1968 wrote:i am finishing up listening to the podcast about the future of star wars miniatures and i had a question. there was mention that miniature market was buying up all the cases it could of past sets. does this mean that they will inflate there prices as an advantage to the situation? i dont know about anyone else but $10.00 is alot to pay for princess leia captive from rebel storm,basically a worthless piece but i would need it if i wanted to fill in the missing pieces of my sets. i am not accusing miniaturemarket of anything but it walways seems like whenever things like this happen there is someone out there waiting to pounce and take advantage of people. No they are jumping on buying up stuff to make sure we have a place to go to buy minis. A lot of stores will dump their product once the game is done. Not, to mention it will be nice to have a go to place for as long as we can. Example: WEG minis and books. Good luck finding pieces and books that everyone wants. I'd hate to see in 5 years that no lgs will carry a case, booster or let alone a single mini. I had to unfortunately trade some of my good pieces to complete the WotC sets which was worth it but I do miss not having my AT-PT, Capt. Pelleon and Joruus C'baoth. I just hope the same doesn't happen for SWM for a long time for newer players let alone older players who lose or break pieces down the road.
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thanks for the kind words guys. I really do appreciate you guys listening to the show and also understanding we are trying to do.
Remember when you listen we do the show like a sports talk show. We very much want the live listeners involvement. We want you questions and interaction that is the point of the show. It is hard to help and inform the community if we cannot actually hear what they think.
Again going forward if you have questions about things like V-sets and Gencon. The show is the perfect place to ask them.
This week we have Jason Alvey as a guest. He is a newly inducted Hall of Famer and an awesome TO and judge at Gencon. He has a ton of insight to minis and we welcome you to listen in and ask him or I a question.
Thanks again guys.
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The only concern I have is that they are planning on putting out 60 piece V-sets using proxy pieces or mods. I hate using proxy pieces especially in tournaments. It just gets confusing. I dont think a lot of people care to mod minis. I like to but thats just me. I think it is a good idea to keep the game going but I think we will need specific rules about what mini represents what stats. A recommended mini I dont think is a good idea. Say you play in a tournyment and you play 5 different people that are all usinig a different mini to represent the same piece. To me it would get confusing. I'm not try to criticise anyone or say don't make V-sets because I would like to see the game continue. I know D&D minis became a much better game once the Guild started making the stats once wizards dropped the skirmish game, but they had new minis coming out that were not stated for skirmish play so there was no proxy issue. It would be great if Hasbro picked up the mini line and just sold them as toys with out stat cards. Just my 2 cents.
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bokkendo wrote:It would be great if Hasbro picked up the mini line and just sold them as toys with out stat cards. Just my 2 cents. Hasbro produced minis with Virtual Stats? That would be incredible. (Frankly, I think virtual stats could be better than the official stuff anyway)
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If the game can't continue to be produced as is, then having some company just selling collectible minis of the same scale would seem to be ideal.
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njarnagin wrote:bokkendo wrote:It would be great if Hasbro picked up the mini line and just sold them as toys with out stat cards. Just my 2 cents. Hasbro produced minis with Virtual Stats? That would be incredible. (Frankly, I think virtual stats could be better than the official stuff anyway) No I said produce without stats.
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bokkendo wrote:njarnagin wrote:bokkendo wrote:It would be great if Hasbro picked up the mini line and just sold them as toys with out stat cards. Just my 2 cents. Hasbro produced minis with Virtual Stats? That would be incredible. (Frankly, I think virtual stats could be better than the official stuff anyway) No I said produce without stats. That's what he meant. Get new figures from Hasbro, and then the designers make stats.
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can someone explain to me what they mean by virtual stats?
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mrroboto1968 wrote:can someone explain to me what they mean by virtual stats?
www.starwarsccg.org This is pretty much the first group that we are trying to follow. Originally, V cards were just new text for old cards. It was much better than errata, because you could have Darth Vader and Darth Vader (V) in the same deck. I think the consensus is that is the ideal way to do it, rather than just recost stuff.
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I really like bokkendo's idea. It seemed to work wonderfully for DDM. If Hasbro picked it up and dean and those guys doing the virtual sets could stat them. Holy cow that would rule.
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Yeah, it would be awesome. Here's hoping.
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