wondering what YOU thought was the worst set of all time in history of SWM...you acatually may be wondering why i posted the specific sets i did above and not some others...well...

for starters, i posted them up because of their face value; meaning, becuase they had such a bad ratio of bad (and/or worthless) figures to good figures. For ex.; Universe. They pretty much had 6 worthwhile figs IMO: Ackbar, Vader, GMA, Nom, Warmaster, and Rancor. The rest were all duds, either right off the bat (Nein Nub; Ponda Baba + Dr. Evazan duo) or they just became outdated due to power creep (ex. Luke JM, Obi on Boga). (NOTE: BH was a toss up undre this category, their ratio of bad to good was extremely high, though the "goods" were all extremely good)

second, the next category was sculpt taste (how the figures look). this was meant directly towards AE...AE MIGHT (i emphasize MIGHT) have been a decent set had it not been for the square bases (And maybe the card background color)...nice idea, though not very popular among SWM fans.

third, i chose BC it was a not-worthwhile (per se) set. such as CW. CW was a great set...except, the eras that needed MUCH mroe figures (Sith, OR, NR, YV, Mandos, etc.) were not included. Many people complained that the repubs, rebel, imp (top 3 factions) were getting too many charcters while they left the others in the dust. Though, i must say Holosid was one of the greatest additions to the Sith faction.

so, what do you think? so far, im leaning towards Universe (or AE)...

I can't really vote atm because I don't particularly know much about the game's early days. But that is interesting that you have put those as the possible worst sets. Expecially Bounty Hunters, which to a new comer, is one of the most expensive and difficult to get hold of sets.

Actually as I usually do I disagree with you completely.

1st off:

Universe isn't even close to being the worst set ever.

Thrawn and Vader defined Meta from basically their inception and created their own meta essentially with Thrawn's MT and Force Bubble was insane back in the day.

Vader eliminated entire squads from contention single-handidly.

There are other pieces that were good/still are in Universe like:

Nom
Han RH
Chewie RH
Xizor
Nightsister Sith Witch
AT-ST

Amazing sculpts in the set:

Obi on Boga
Hailfire
Reek
Acklay


Definitely not the worst set. Not even close.

#2

A&E? Your reasoning is Square bases? Really?

No one I know in many areas of the country including my own players care about square bases, in many cases my experience is the people who complain about them usually have many complaints over issues that oftentimes don't matter.

You clearly need to go reread the set list if you put A&E out there.

Why? Game defining pieces/faction essential pieces:

Princess Leia
Mara Jade, Jedi
Lando DS (greatest cheap shooter in the game for what 3 years?)
Advance Scout/Yomin (Gave the Vong a meta option with Nom)
Han STA (people are inventing new ways to use him daily)
Luke's Landspeeder
Jabba (made many new squad types usable)
Luke CoF (God squad anyone?)
Vader Imp Comm/Piett (made trooper squads worth playing)

That is a great NR piece, entire Vong faction playable, and at least 4 different Imp/Rebel squads could be used when it couldn't before.

Definitely not A&E either.




My vote?

Revenge of the Sith. Has flash in the pan relevance with R2, Palpy SL, San Hill and maybe 1 or 2 more pieces but overall the rares are horrible, the non-uniques are almost never fielded, and the set was boringly and horribly designed and executed. Who needs Sly Moore, Tion Medon, and Yuzzems lol?



2nd is probably Imperial Entanglements for me. Utterly broke competitive meta with Rieekan and made Rebels ludicrously powerful when they were already the best according to championship results.

Dash is awesome, and so is Palpy, Mice, lobot CLO, Luke, and of course the TBSV.

Really from a rare perspective it didn't suck I just hate what Rieekan did to the Meta. And the Rebels definitely didn't need a piece like Crix.

It isn't the worst set content wise just game impact wise, if Mice/TBSV weren't in it I would hate it much more.

I understand that rebel storm has no usable pieces anymore but try playing some set only battles with it and you will see how strategic of a player you really are with out all the gimmicks that made this game so "broken" in the first place

are we talking worst playability or worst design?

Apart from a VERY few pieces such as Boba Fett, Commando/Scout Trooper on Speeder, and Obi-Wan; I would definately have to go with Rebel Storm. General Veers, Wampa, and Han Solo are somewhat fun at times as well, but nothing competetive. In all seriousness, none of the aforementioned figs are rarely used in any kind of serious games. Obi is just cool for the rare chance that he dies and gives up the force spirit for 38pts, when he is a decent fighter to begin with. Boba is the best sculpt for him in my opinion and decently cheap point-wise, but he lacks game changing ability big time. I would take Boba, BH, Mercenary, or Mercenary Commander over him in a heartbeat.
I thought there was definately a much larger pool of usefull characters in RoTS. Mostly R2 DOOMBOT. SO amazing and useful for 9pts.
A&E had a very balanced selection of good figs. Boba, Enforcer, STORM COMMANDO, Luke, Champion of the Force, Rampaging Wampa, Obi Spirit, MARA JADE, JEDI, and like 8 others.
Universe had only around 8 or so good pieces, but two of em alone made it worth while: Ackbar and GM Thrawn!
About 12 good minis in CS, ESPECIALLY Yoda, Darth Sidious, and Battle Droid on STAP. Also, the BEST 4pt piece in the game in my opion! That being Gran Raider. haha..
Now Bounty Hunters is worth it's weight just for BOTH Jango and Boba. Then there's bout 7 other ok-somewhat useful pieces. Rancor, Lord Vader, Young Krayt Dragon, and Mandalore the Indominable to name a few of the more significant ones.
FInaly with Clone Wars, I'm thinking of about 12 figs AT LEAST that are fun and useful. Especially out of a 40 piece set. It would get my vote for BEST from the ones you listed, and surprised to see it on here as an option. Come on Rex, GOWK, Sidious Holo, Durge, JH, Grievous, DAC, YOBUCK...the Star Corps are one of the better uncommons to date. Amazing set. Still from allllll sets, it's a toss up between Champions of the Force, Force Unleashed, and Imperial Entanglements..
My last rant/opinion/thought/suggestion(even though it doesn't matter anymore now): Compromise with 50pc sets. 60 was hard to finish, and got fustrating. While 40 was just waaaay too easy to get everything and many doubles too quickly. I believe the switch from 60 to 40pc, combined with the HUGE lack of support and advertising were the biggest contributing factors to the death of my favourite game I ever played. So yeah if anyone actually read my rants, I'd be both surprised and impressed...

Clone Wars.

Yobuck, Rex, Lancers.

Also I think the Riekaan compliants come from a failure to recognize that the fact that he is costed so low means that he was meant to be easily accessible, which then leads to him essentially redefining the Rebel faction into something that more suits their identity (hit and run tactics). So what if he makes the Rebels even more powerful? The rebel faction is full of the heroes that are the the faces of Star Wars. Surem Vader might be the individual that is the Star Wars character. But the heroes from the OT aren't far behind. I hate the whininess of C-3P0 and Luke. I like KotoR more than I like Empire Strikes Back. But, I totally understand that the Movie factions and characters get the most love, because they are the real Star Wars. I don't like it all that much (37 points for that crap they call Carth Onasi?), but it does make sense.

Me, I like them all. I don't dislike any of them. So I won't vote, but I would like to comment. We haven't gotten into the tournament's yet. We play using the Ultimate Missions Guideline's. In my opinion "Door Lock out" Is kinda lame. So we use the guideline about damaging wall's and such.

However if we did play tournament rule's I'd have to agree with a lot of what joelker41 said. Well said Joel. Square bases?!?! I wouldn't care if they were kriffing triangle's or hexagon's.

P.S. The only thing that irks me is that we have all these New Clone Wars set's without Destroyer Droids.

A&E. Not because of square bases. Because of the total waste of R/VR slots. Hans and Lukes all over the place. I don't mind a remake of a character, but 3 of the same character in a set??? Ridiculous.

My vote was for Revenge of the Sith. Apart from a few pieces like R2 and San. I never liked this set and didn't purchase many boosters. Although - my first VR ever was Grevious, Jedi Hunter. Very cool sculpt, not so cool stats. At first I though Quad attack was awesome. Then I'd realize that people would just move away or if they did stand and fight the +10 would miss most of the time.

I find I'm using pieces from A&E more often than ever before with Lando, Mara, the various Lukes and Vader.

Rebel Storm pieces just need a small upgrade. That's all. Last week I played a tourny with RS Boba. Got lots of praise for using an "old" piece. He tore it up.

Universe still rocks too! Kyle Katarn just needs a little help.