I have to agree, GMA has gotten a bit out of hand. It's definitely the "crutch" ability right now for most squads. Now, when it was only available on the Mando Scout and Echani Handmaiden, it made sense, they were complete MASTERS of their particular fighting style and great at stealth. Then came Rex, who was a bit crazy, giving clones GMA...which still wasn't a horribly big problem. After the TBSV though, where just about anybody has access to GMA with the help of the BBSV and Mouse Droids? It's just ridiculous. Unless you're running enough tempo/door/initiative control, you can just forget about activating pieces before they die.

They should have made "Mobile Attack" and "Greater Attack" but not "Greater Mobile Attack".

It's annoying to have double/triple attack but not be able to use it because you need to move, so I like the idea of an ability to let you use multiple attacks while moving (like Garm's CE). But the ability to move out, shoot multiple times and then move back out of line of sight is too much. If you use multiple attacks on a turn you should have to make yourself vulnerable to return fire.

Gma. Not much to add over what everyone else has said though.

I really, really disagree with GMA being the primary choice here. Override has been, and is still the most devastating ability in the game when used properly (in competitive play). GMA has been absolutely great for a great number of MELEE figures, not just the 3 shooters. And I'm sorry, if you all were right, every squad would start with Dash, Cad, Rex, and would win every game no matter what the rest of the squad was. And that just doesn't happen. GMA is a strong ability, but let's be honest here, it's far from broken.

Same with Mas. There is basically one CE that anyone ever claims is an issue, and it's swap. Well, the same can be done with mouse droids, as swap squads don't need to go all over the board, they just need to be timely. Mas is the only reason a great number of CEs are even playable. Further, the mouse droid covers the supposed advantage Mas gave to Imperials and Republic (which btw, Rebels have won the last 2 Gencons without Mas, and 2 years ago without mice). And three years ago the winning squad was a Republic build without a single CE.

Override is much more of a game breaker in the hands of a good player. The issue is that WotC has fixed it by granting a lot of counter abilities, and making override easy to play yourself. That still doesn't change the fact that every competitive squad has to deal with it, in nearly every game. Try playing your next tournament without override, and without ugnaughts (or any other satchel charge, etc.). GMA needs no such counter in every squad to be beaten.

Heck, I think you all forget that Cad, Dash and Rex are all 80hps or less. It's really not that hard to kill them. About the same difficulty as killing a similarly priced melee jedi (using the more cost efficient jedi obviously - as we are comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges). And considering there are literally plenty of melee pieces that can get in there and kill an 80hp piece very fast, it's hardly an issue in today's game.

With that said, I agree, in lesser competitive play, as it has always been true of the melee vs non-melee debates, GMA shooters with double twin can dominate. But that isn't a game problem, that's a skill level problem. Learn to defeat these guys, and you will become a much better player - not just because you can defeat them, but also because when you are playing one yourself, you will be better prepared to defeat a good opponent.

Agreed. Like I said above, my issue is not with "Greater" or "Mobile" but with "Greater Mobile" where so much damage can be dealt out without becoming vulnerable. For melee, mostly "Greater Mobile Attack" is often just "Greater Attack". You can move in and use multiple attacks but don't necessarily move away after attacking because of the AOO.

wow, totally know why people hate GMA...i had to face just a normal Rieekan squad and wow...i got creamed!

You misunderstand me.

When I ever talk about competitive play, I will say that I am talking about it.

You believe that casual gaming is wrong, and I disagree with you.

Assume that whenever I am writing something down, that you are going to disagree with it, because I do not exclude the population of casual gamers.

If you have anything important to say about casual gaming (we are thinking on Tier 913 here) then you can respond to me.

I voted for GMA. However, I need to clarify my vote. I have no problem with it being attached to Melee pieces. My beef is how it has been given to so many shooters. Since Legacy of the Force, there have only been 3 Melee pieces with GMA. That is crazy. That SA just screams Melee. I think this game would have been more popular with the casual crowd if GMA had been limited to Melee. Sure, Twin can be given to both. No problem there. However, the combination of Twin + GMA + non-Melee is discouraging to play against for new players. That is the issue. I actually agree that Override has been a problem since Day 1. That said, I think GMA soured the game. Override created a stale game, but at least remedies were created.

I really wish GMA had been limited to Melee pieces. At the very least, limited to non-Melee pieces without Twin Attack. That combo can be frustrating to deal with for new players.

I am just saying to you, bill. If you can exclude non-competitive, then I can exclude competitive, and we will be talking two different languages, and we don't have to speak to each other.

Well, I would definitely agree playing against them can make better players. The question is whether or not a new player has the patience to weather the early storm.



Truth be told, Cad Bane is a different animal than those other two. However, the complaints behind them are/were present. I do think those type of pieces can ruin the flavor of the game for a newcomer. Nobody wants to be disintegrated or attacked 4 times from across the board.



You may be able to show them in a few minutes, but that doesn't mean a new player will learn right away. Not to mention, some might simply be disgusted with the GMA tactics.

Just playing devil's advocate here. I think GMA, Twin Attackers can be dealt with. I simply think they can rub new players the wrong way.