hey guys

wondering what was your take on camping. now, before you immediately protest to this and this thread becomes a ranting thread, let me explain myself.

now, many of you know there's an [awesome] VASSAL league of bloomilk going on right now. its pretty cool, and it combines a lot of luck with skill.

now, note, this hasn't happened to me [yet], but it could possibly. people, if they are newbs and/or are unfamiliar with the map, they may feel the safest and easiest route to play (and possibly win) the game is to camp in a room near gambit, or gain a sizable enough lead that they can lock themselves in a room and wait for time to be called.

now, you may think that this is highly improbable. but, heres how it plays out...:

a) All it takes is 1 R2, 1 overide piece, etc. etc. (note, only about 5 pieces have satchel charge)
b) some people playing the VASSAL league on bloomilk are newbs (like me) and havent been able to develop full skill level.
c) some people have never heard of some of the maps being played on; much less actually play on them, to be able to be able to strategecally place their characters; while, the otehr person who may be familiar with the map knows all its weaknesses and strengths.

so guys, what do you think? any comments?

agreed. this is waht i was thinking about...b/c, its much easier to get override characters than SC characters! anyways, heres what i think is oging to happen:

a) get to the door you want opened first! (and maintain that openess)
b) find another way to get it (or just sit in another part of gambit)
c) SC the door; lol

anyways, i like your idea, though that would mess up the whole point of some characters; ex. the R7 droid. Override is what makes him cost 8 points, and if he loses it, he'll be a 40 point piece of tin.

...heres an idea. maybe have all characters with override lose override and down grade their cost, say, 4-5 points?

While this seems like its logical and "ok", these excuses just add up to avoiding taking the much harder road of teaching new players why these tactics are against the spirit of fair play. I know it is an uncomfortable conversation. The only way to make any progress is to have that uncomfortable conversation. If you do not, people really have no incentive to be good sports and the dirty dirty cycle of unfair play just continues.

People have to lose games to improve. It is part of the natural evolution of game playing. What would you rather be:

1) A loser who did their best, still has a lot to learn, and is learning by playing in the spirit of the game.

or

2) A "winner" who got that W by violating the spirit of the game.

Some people are so focused on that W because not getting that generates shame in them. There is no shame in losing well.

Now, some people might make the argument here that it is the special rules of this tournament that are making the unfair play easier to do. Ok. Make the needed changes. It isn't an "official tournament" and therefore the organizers have the right (and in my mind responsibility) to do everything possible to discourage unfair play.

The experienced players also have the responsibility to be the "better" sports here to set an example.

Exactly.

Aye, then thats fair enough, as options to control doors are pretty hard to come by. In those sort of settings, i figure some limit may be nessiary.

That's an interesting point but isn't that the chance you take from playing a booster match? That some people will get better stuff than others....??

Well, to me winning isn't everything. Having to sit through my Bone head decision of Not bringing something that has some sort of door control is pretty awful. I mean, it really sucks to have a door locked in my face, and not being able to do something about it sucks more. I'll take a good loss anyday, but Bad losses are hard to sit through.
Even in a Vassal league, I believe that there should be some kind of DC, its cheap.
A far as camping goes, its a preferance, not one that I completely agree with.
Hers an example :
My opponent once had 22 activations and did nothing but lock himself in a room, and kept telling me to get him.....He had San Hill too BTW, so that was really annoying, because with Tempo and 22 acts, thats just obnoxious.
Needless to say, I was irked. I told him if he doesn't come out and play, we were going to forget Gambit and play last man standing. He (for some reason) agreed to this and I proceded to Whoop his tail over his side of the map. to add insult to injury, I locked his Grievous and San in a room as I finished pounding his Droids into scrap metal.
He learned a valuable lesson.
Use what you have.

I'm picking up what you're laying down but isn't it a tournament?

Technically speaking, there is nothing wrong with taking full advantage of the rules and match-ups to win. But, camping is not high on my own list and does not fit my aggressive style and I don't like it as a strategy. I agree it hinders the development of the player as well. In a controlled league like that in which players do not have access to every piece necessarily, it might be better to have rules in place to avoid the abusive situations. If the abuse gets to a point that it drives others away and takes away from the spirit of the contest, then there needs to be a change. (Note: this is much different than not preparing properly for a tourney like Regionals with no door control)

Instead of getting too complicated with the rules, perhaps a simple change proposed by many house rules in the past would work. All characters with a lightsaber can spend 1 FP and replace attacks to destroy an adjacent door. If SC is not readily available, lightsabers are much easier to come by in this game. The threat of it could dampen the odds of camping.

I thought that the point of this game was to re-create interesting battles from the star wars universe. I can't recall the book/cartoon/movie where the brave heroes simply locked the door on another character and then held a parade in the streets of Naboo celebrating their cunningness.

Grow a pair and fight.

Victory by locking a door is like winning at djerac (sp?) by threatening to tear someone's arms out of their sockets. Yes you won, congrats, nobody wants to play with you again...wuss

As Darth Bane approached Kyle Battlemaster he ignited his lightsaber and grinned. Kyle threw a grenades 40 in the direction of the Dark Sith Lord, but the throw fell short. Then Bane lept backwards, whistled for his droid, locked the door, and giggled to himself, "I totally just won, I'm the man."