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creme_brule
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 4:08:57 AM
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why does everyone hate bomo greenbark (or, at least, they dont think he deserved a VR spot)...

now, i know that he's not the "best" VR from that set, but hey, he pulles his own weight effectively. for only 18 ponits, stealth, twin, and imp. reprisal, which makes him a decent shooter once an unique ally dies...

basically, why dont people like him (or why do YOU not like him?)
Wysten
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 5:19:38 AM
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Because he's in direct compertision with another pair of great shooters in that range, Dashing Lando and Tw Vigo. When compared to them, he does not quite look as good, easpically when someone has to die to get him started. Most players would probably rather not count on someone dying to get the best out of him.

That being said, I think he's pretty cool. I can see merits in his use, just there are more reliable choices out there for around about the same price, as to make the most of him, you have to put more points in.

Him with Qui-Gon Jin with force spirit would be pretty awesome though. Or with Obi-Force Unleashed to get a better benifit in addition to a force user getting a solid amount of force points and master of the force. Plus Bomo is taking a VR slot that none of the bounty hunters are taking.
LoboStele
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 5:39:30 AM
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Umm...Bomo doesn't have Force Points, so you can't use Force Spirit on him, unless you use Dark Woman to Light Tutor him first.

Like Wysten said though, at 18 points, he's got several other key pieces to contend against. Compare to Lando DS, you have to have someone die in order to get roughly the same amount of damage potential. Plus, Bomo doesn't have Mobile/Evade to start with like Lando and the TBSV do. Granted, there's some nice Synergy that Bomo has with Nyna or Nom, but outside of that, he really isn't that competitive.

He's a decent piece, and I don't really think people 'hate' him, but you don't see anybody jumping up and down singing his praises either, because he's sort of a niche piece that will see limited play due to other better choices at the point level for most squads.
Billy Dooku
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 5:47:46 AM
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I bet Wysten was thinking about getting Qui-Gon to die to boost Bomo. Face it, Jedi Master is there to deal minor damage and die quickly. With Bomo, you're getting the most out of it. And I was thinking of a way to use him... Nice One Wysten.
Wysten
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:28:35 AM
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Aye, I never thought about giving Bomo the force points. Just giving the Force Spirit charcter additional reasons you would want him dead. Running him along side a solid force user to maximise the benfit.

Like GOWK, General Skywalker, Luke Commando. Basically, pretty much any republic/rebellion group you can think of that has a master that gives benfit from dying. I once posted up a squad that basically used Obi-Wan unleashed like a weaker Kota bomb, with Luke Commando and other force users. Effectively, that could use Bomo fairly well, since they both have stealth and they both benfit from Obi with the possability of using other rebel bonus's and build up from there.

Bomo won't ever be the central focus, 18 pointers generally are not, but theres ways to more use of him by finding a common ground between the figures. Force spirit in Rebel force squads seems the best bet, simply because theres a lot that can benfit from that unique charcter dying.


It also works with charcters with Dark Force Spirit, though thats less common due to the ability being restricted to one 84 point figure, which is hard to run just for the sake of dying, but another charcter has the ability that is fairly reasonabliy priced considering what he offers.


Billydooku: No problem. ^^ It was the first time I ever looked at it that way myself. I like Bomo more that I thought about him, just never pulled him and I don't really need him for any of my squads right now.
DarthReeves
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:30:19 AM
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My thing is that a Rare or a Very Rare needs to be worth the money. Either a great Commander effect, or a beatstick of sorts, and even to a lesser degree- a synergy piece. Bomo is neither a great fighter, nor a commander of sorts. He's a VR with UC stats. That's why I hate, nay, LOATHE him.

Just kidding I don't "hate" the piece. I mean one of my favorite all time pieces is Jag Fel, so my opinion is void...That being said...a piece worth making is worth making AWESOME.

Meanwhile Logray cries in the corner like a little girl
creme_brule
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:26:25 AM
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Wysten wrote:
Because he's in direct compertision with another pair of great shooters in that range, Dashing Lando and Tw Vigo. When compared to them, he does not quite look as good, easpically when someone has to die to get him started. Most players would probably rather not count on someone dying to get the best out of him.

That being said, I think he's pretty cool. I can see merits in his use, just there are more reliable choices out there for around about the same price, as to make the most of him, you have to put more points in.

Him with Qui-Gon Jin with force spirit would be pretty awesome though. Or with Obi-Force Unleashed to get a better benifit in addition to a force user getting a solid amount of force points and master of the force. Plus Bomo is taking a VR slot that none of the bounty hunters are taking.


note though, bomo has stealth...one of the most versatile abilities in all of SWM...can be used so that he might gain evade/mobile (thus boosting his potential power, while TBSV/Lando DS already have both so they wouldn't benifit)...yea, though he needs someone to "die" for him, i could think of many characters that would help him lots...ex. wicket. a very useful piece to help your characters hit your enemies, and once he dies, bomo comes in with +10 ATK and 20 DMG (dont forget twin!). since he's both a (very cheap) follower and fringe, many commanders could work wonders in him, ex. yularen, moff nyna (my top choice), thrawn, rieekan, mando CEs (with help of mandalore the ult.)

in short, though he does not "beat" the other 18 shooters, he definitely IMO matches up to them. it depends on your taste i guess. Smile though very nice points i must hand it to you Wysten. Wink

BTW, is your last comment "Plus Bomo is taking a VR slot that none of the bounty hunters are taking" ....is that a good thing, or bad thing? i couldnt tell which, lol .
Wysten
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:45:21 AM
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creme_brule wrote:


note though, bomo has stealth...one of the most versatile abilities in all of SWM...can be used so that he might gain evade/mobile (thus boosting his potential power, while TBSV/Lando DS already have both so they wouldn't benifit)...yea, though he needs someone to "die" for him, i could think of many characters that would help him lots...ex. wicket. a very useful piece to help your characters hit your enemies, and once he dies, bomo comes in with +10 ATK and 20 DMG (dont forget twin!). since he's both a (very cheap) follower and fringe, many commanders could work wonders in him, ex. yularen, moff nyna (my top choice), thrawn, rieekan, mando CEs (with help of mandalore the ult.)

in short, though he does not "beat" the other 18 shooters, he definitely IMO matches up to them. it depends on your taste i guess. Smile though very nice points i must hand it to you Wysten. Wink

BTW, is your last comment "Plus Bomo is taking a VR slot that none of the bounty hunters are taking" ....is that a good thing, or bad thing? i couldnt tell which, lol .


Stealth is decent, but the problem is that he can only deal 10 damage and has 6 attack to start with. Pairing him with other commenders can help migrate that, but the others have the streight up robustness.

Lando can hit somewhat more relaibly and has the benfit of mobile attack to make Stealth less nessiary and Vigo is more condictional then Lando, but is also a note worthy commander nagates that aspect and is able to hurt as much as Lando in his element. They also don't need commander effects to be effective, just commander effects makes them more.

While Bomo in the early game is pretty much restricted to small game such as Uggies and needs commanders to be more reliable, meaning in essence he costs more then his card indicates. Which is a sangicant disadvantage unless you really build the squad that really takes advantage of a aspect of him that the other two lack. Stealth or a charcter death. Vigo see's use often due to his commander effect and Lando is the established stand alone shooter that benfits from most commanders Bomo can benfit from.


I like him, but his uses are slightly more limited in my opinon. Being a VR has a knock on effect on like levels, since rather then pulling something beefy for a VR, like Kir Kalos, you pulled Bomo. People just don't like pulling VR's that are not beefy I guess. When really he's made the bounty hunters easier to get, which is a good thing for keeping them affordable.

And likewise, good points, just I already thought them though really, they all have access to the same support from any faction, it's just a case of which one benfits the most from what. ^^
creme_brule
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:00:29 AM
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Wysten wrote:
creme_brule wrote:


note though, bomo has stealth...one of the most versatile abilities in all of SWM...can be used so that he might gain evade/mobile (thus boosting his potential power, while TBSV/Lando DS already have both so they wouldn't benifit)...yea, though he needs someone to "die" for him, i could think of many characters that would help him lots...ex. wicket. a very useful piece to help your characters hit your enemies, and once he dies, bomo comes in with +10 ATK and 20 DMG (dont forget twin!). since he's both a (very cheap) follower and fringe, many commanders could work wonders in him, ex. yularen, moff nyna (my top choice), thrawn, rieekan, mando CEs (with help of mandalore the ult.)

in short, though he does not "beat" the other 18 shooters, he definitely IMO matches up to them. it depends on your taste i guess. Smile though very nice points i must hand it to you Wysten. Wink

BTW, is your last comment "Plus Bomo is taking a VR slot that none of the bounty hunters are taking" ....is that a good thing, or bad thing? i couldnt tell which, lol .


Stealth is decent, but the problem is that he can only deal 10 damage and has 6 attack to start with. Pairing him with other commenders can help migrate that, but the others have the streight up robustness.

Lando can hit somewhat more relaibly and has the benfit of mobile attack to make Stealth less nessiary and Vigo is more condictional then Lando, but is also a note worthy commander nagates that aspect and is able to hurt as much as Lando in his element. They also don't need commander effects to be effective, just commander effects makes them more.

While Bomo in the early game is pretty much restricted to small game such as Uggies and needs commanders to be more reliable, meaning in essence he costs more then his card indicates. Which is a sangicant disadvantage unless you really build the squad that really takes advantage of a aspect of him that the other two lack. Stealth or a charcter death. Vigo see's use often due to his commander effect and Lando is the established stand alone shooter that benfits from most commanders Bomo can benfit from.


I like him, but his uses are slightly more limited in my opinon. Being a VR has a knock on effect on like levels, since rather then pulling something beefy for a VR, like Kir Kalos, you pulled Bomo. People just don't like pulling VR's that are not beefy I guess. When really he's made the bounty hunters easier to get, which is a good thing for keeping them affordable.

And likewise, good points, just I already thought them though really, they all have access to the same support from any faction, it's just a case of which one benfits the most from what. ^^


well, i just like looking at a small [base] VR...theres only one other small VR (so far), and thats yoda (CS)...theres gonna be another small base VR...yoda FS. im sry, but thats my reason why i like him so much, lol :P
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after reading about what bomo went through, i give him a VR spot out of respect. he may not deserve it on the paper battle field, but he deserves it where it counts.
Boba52
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:10:18 AM
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I like Bomo, but I would like him a heckuva lot more if he was on a medium base, so I can play him with Mithrawn.
creme_brule
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Boba52 wrote:
I like Bomo, but I would like him a heckuva lot more if he was on a medium base, so I can play him with Mithrawn.


theres always ugos, they cost only 3 pt
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crapface wrote:
after reading about what bomo went through, i give him a VR spot out of respect. he may not deserve it on the paper battle field, but he deserves it where it counts.

Absolutely. To me, he had one of the most intriguing stories in Dark Times.
Let me break it down right quick for those who don't know about him:
The Nosaurians were in league with the Separatists during the Fall of the Republic.
The 'Empire' were still battling the Nosaurians, who were led by Dass Jennir.
The Empire terminates all Nosaurian resistance, leaving the women and children to be sold into Slavery.
Bomo begins his quest to find his wife and Daughter, sold to T'surr's.
Bomo eventually finds out that a Slaver bought and......ate his daughter.
Bomo goes Ballistic, but is denied his revenge due to Dass' interferance, and finds a new family with Smugglers, whom half of their squad is turned into Rakghouls.

Bomo is just one of the most tragic characters SWs has ever seen, and to me, is totally worth the spot of a VR. And IMO, is totally underrated for what he can do.
He works great for swapping with Uggs too, good call whoever nailed that!ThumpUp
Wysten
Posted: Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:03:52 AM
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Aye, but having a small base has no functional benfit, it's not like cover saves are improved, just theres no real difference between medium and small base, just a disadvantage for not being the standard medium.

But yeah, thats fair enough. No problems with liking him at all, I like most minis aside from most generic grunts for having so little HP and a lack of transport units. No ability for transport except for the really old rebel cart. Kind of pitiful that transports are so rare when other table top games have used them effectively.

I not read that much into the EU, so I don't really know much about him, burtal stuff though, makes for a good star wars story rather then this Lightside vs Darkside all the time.
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Boba52 wrote:
I like Bomo, but I would like him a heckuva lot more if he was on a medium base, so I can play him with Mithrawn.


The Toydarian Soldier - it isn't just for breakfast anymore BigGrin

Saronian
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Beast wrote:
crapface wrote:
after reading about what bomo went through, i give him a VR spot out of respect. he may not deserve it on the paper battle field, but he deserves it where it counts.

Absolutely. To me, he had one of the most intriguing stories in Dark Times.
Let me break it down right quick for those who don't know about him:
The Nosaurians were in league with the Separatists during the Fall of the Republic.
The 'Empire' were still battling the Nosaurians, who were led by Dass Jennir.
The Empire terminates all Nosaurian resistance, leaving the women and children to be sold into Slavery.
Bomo begins his quest to find his wife and Daughter, sold to T'surr's.
Bomo eventually finds out that a Slaver bought and......ate his daughter.
Bomo goes Ballistic, but is denied his revenge due to Dass' interferance, and finds a new family with Smugglers, whom half of their squad is turned into Rakghouls.

Bomo is just one of the most tragic characters SWs has ever seen, and to me, is totally worth the spot of a VR. And IMO, is totally underrated for what he can do.
He works great for swapping with Uggs too, good call whoever nailed that!ThumpUp


Actually, only one (the hot chick, go figure) gets turned into a Rakghoul, one gets captured by Vader, and one died when a deal went south.
Beast
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Yup, you are correct. I had to re read that issue of Vector. thanks for setting it straight.ThumpUp
Shane914
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I use him in one of my SS Thrawn Swap squads. It's SS Cad, Arica and Bomo. An Amani Scout rushes in and is swapped out for Arica at the end of a turn. Blaster Barrage, win init and Blaster Barrage again. She can take out every commander they have if set up right (potential 80dmg over the two Barrages). After that she serves her purpose and just suicide bombs with Blaster Barrage until dead.

Cad and Bomo come in and clean up. Cad takes out the big pieces and Bomo finishes off the big guys or takes out smaller ones since he's doing 2X 30 dmg with a 14 atk.

If you have a unique that will most likely die - or you need to die - for a squad to work well, then it's hard to find a better 18 point shooter than Bomo.
exarkunmini
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At least it's not Dr. Evazan.
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I HATE BOMO....









...getting the snub. He and R2 astro are a match made in heaven.
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