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carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:19:19 AM
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Well, it seems that the MDB issue is back online. I as well as a lot of other members want this problem to cease. MDB has been banned, whether guilty or not.

Darthkaotic, in the brief time I knew your brother on this site, he seemed like a good guy, and you are right to be angry, but unfortunatly, I don't think you will make people see the light and suddenly get MDB un-banned.

Mods: You guys do a real good job on here, keeping the peace, but perhaps this matter could be eased a bit, if it were handled by a moderator who could not be labeled as "biased" toward a single side of the argument. Also keep in mind, that there may be those on this site, that hate MDB enough to create dummy accounts claiming to be him, only to further sully his name.

In this previous statement, I am not claiming or accusing anyone of being right nor wrong, nor of creating said dummy accounts.

Now I have no doubts that this thread will be locked or deleted, but it needed to be said.
RannKonnar
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:21:07 AM
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MDB is back?
ork_fudgepacker
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:43:18 AM
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yea that would be darth kaotic, also known as blizzard scout 1, beast, 666 and MDB, and the other accounts that I have forgotten and dont feel like looking for
jedispyder
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:46:56 AM
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carnorjax1 wrote:
Mods: You guys do a real good job on here, keeping the peace, but perhaps this matter could be eased a bit, if it were handled by a moderator who could not be labeled as "biased" toward a single side of the argument. Also keep in mind, that there may be those on this site, that hate MDB enough to create dummy accounts claiming to be him, only to further sully his name.

How are the mods being biased towards a single side of the argument when that single side literally is correct? Gonna go out on a limb here and say there actually isn't a mod that isn't biased towards one side. MdB has sent quite a many threatening PMs and posts to be trusted ever again. DarthKaotic is doing the exact same thing, threatening Sithborg already in a PM.

Now counting down from 3...2...1 to this thread being locked...
carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:52:42 AM
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I meant accused rather then labeled, as I believe some mods have been accused of being friends and thus biased toward one side of this argument. Note that I am not the one accusing, as stated below your quote.
carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:53:58 AM
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ork_fudgepacker wrote:
yea that would be darth kaotic, also known as blizzard scout 1, beast, 666 and MDB, and the other accounts that I have forgotten and dont feel like looking for


Quite possibly, or maybe not.
jedispyder
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:57:14 AM
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carnorjax1 wrote:
ork_fudgepacker wrote:
yea that would be darth kaotic, also known as blizzard scout 1, beast, 666 and MDB, and the other accounts that I have forgotten and dont feel like looking for


Quite possibly, or maybe not.

Based on the fact he joined with in the month (week?), posting style, and the already known threat, I'd vote for "quite possibly" ;) I find it hard to believe he is who he says he is and didn't join when the original fracas with MdB started so he could take MdB's side (he claimed he's been a lurker for 2 years)
carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:03:20 AM
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Yes, that could very well be true, or Darthkaotik is indeed his brother, when the only thing you can tell about someone is their writing online, then it makes it rather hard to tell who is who
jedispyder
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:07:52 AM
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I'm definitely not saying he's not MdB's brother. Just saying it sounds unlikely when you look at everything combined.
Sithborg
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:09:45 AM
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Plain and simple, you do not know what goes into mod decisions. I assure you we get a lot more info than you do.
If we only let mods who have not been harassed or threatenend by this personalities, we would quickly have no mods. As acting makes you a target. It is also quite frankly an insulting insinuation. I had hoped the example I posted would give a clearer picture of our actions, why they may seem harsh, but is correct course of action.
Jango123
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:10:58 AM
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carnorjax1 wrote:
Well, it seems that the MDB issue is back online. I as well as a lot of other members want this problem to cease. MDB has been banned, whether guilty or not.

Darthkaotic, in the brief time I knew your brother on this site, he seemed like a good guy, and you are right to be angry, but unfortunatly, I don't think you will make people see the light and suddenly get MDB un-banned.

Mods: You guys do a real good job on here, keeping the peace, but perhaps this matter could be eased a bit, if it were handled by a moderator who could not be labeled as "biased" toward a single side of the argument. Also keep in mind, that there may be those on this site, that hate MDB enough to create dummy accounts claiming to be him, only to further sully his name.

In this previous statement, I am not claiming or accusing anyone of being right nor wrong, nor of creating said dummy accounts.

Now I have no doubts that this thread will be locked or deleted, but it needed to be said.


Funniest post I've seen yet on the topic.

Pull your head out of the sand and pay attention for once. No need to start conspiracy theories with 0 evidence just because to you he "seemed like a good guy". He most certainly isn't "right to be angry," that's just nonsense.

Lol, tell me another one. :)
carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:16:26 AM
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Jango123 wrote:
carnorjax1 wrote:
Well, it seems that the MDB issue is back online. I as well as a lot of other members want this problem to cease. MDB has been banned, whether guilty or not.

Darthkaotic, in the brief time I knew your brother on this site, he seemed like a good guy, and you are right to be angry, but unfortunatly, I don't think you will make people see the light and suddenly get MDB un-banned.

Mods: You guys do a real good job on here, keeping the peace, but perhaps this matter could be eased a bit, if it were handled by a moderator who could not be labeled as "biased" toward a single side of the argument. Also keep in mind, that there may be those on this site, that hate MDB enough to create dummy accounts claiming to be him, only to further sully his name.

In this previous statement, I am not claiming or accusing anyone of being right nor wrong, nor of creating said dummy accounts.

Now I have no doubts that this thread will be locked or deleted, but it needed to be said.


Funniest post I've seen yet on the topic.

Pull your head out of the sand and pay attention for once. No need to start conspiracy theories with 0 evidence just because to you he "seemed like a good guy". He most certainly isn't "right to be angry," that's just nonsense.

Lol, tell me another one. :)


I'm sorry you think so, for this thread was intended to be serious. It would seem you overlooked the part where I said I was not making any accusations. I have no doubts that there are indeed people with the capability to do that, and it is a possibility, that would not even be hard to pull off. If I may be so bold sir, what exactly should I be paying attention too, for once?
jedispyder
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:20:18 AM
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I do have a quick question for you, carnorjax1. The more I read the first post the more I realize there actually isn't a real point to the post. What were you hoping would happen after your post? I'm truly intrigued here, not judging or anything. You say you thought MdB was a "good guy" and that DarthKaotic "deserved to be mad" and wanting a mod to "look at it from an unbiased angle" but I guess I missed the point of the thread. Are you trying to get MdB to be unbanned? Or just trying to get all the MdB talk to stop?
NickName
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:43:28 AM
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The funny thing is that the unbiased mods are the ones dealing with it now. Laugh

And should some other mod take the reins and make the same decision (which they must because there's no room for interpretation in dealing with the PM Sithborg posted today which basically threatened knowingly false action that would result in Bloomilk being shut down) the claim would then be that they are also biased so there's no real way to achieve what you're asking. Every mod will either be failing to enforce the CoC or deemed biased.

dnemiller
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:47:58 AM
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carnorjax1 wrote:
Yes, that could very well be true, or Darthkaotik is indeed his brother, when the only thing you can tell about someone is their writing online, then it makes it rather hard to tell who is who


well I have stayed out of this but lets propose Darth Kaotik is who he says he is.

He is the brother of MDB and a NYPD Police Officer. Weird most Law Enforcement officers dont call themselves cops it is rather deragatory.

But when he sent his Pm that Sithborg shared with his threat, he would:

1. Lose his job for abuse of power and other criminal acts.

2. Could be prosecuted by the FBI Cyber Crimes unit.

So sure, I guess you are right Carnorjax1. Maybe it isn't MDB maybe he is his brother.

Let's report him to the FBI cyber crimes unit for his threat and see whether he is who he says he is. That would be my solution. It was my solution I gave to him when MDB and Dehacheetjedi threatened to hack gamers for banning them. They both told me they were "professional" Hackers.

This thread is just nothing more than bait for another argument and I am so glad you made it. It certainly adds to the game and the community.
jedispyder
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:49:44 AM
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NickName wrote:
The funny thing is that the unbiased mods are the ones dealing with it now. Laugh

And should some other mod take the reins and make the same decision (which they must because there's no room for interpretation in dealing with the PM Sithborg posted today which basically threatened knowingly false action that would result in Bloomilk being shut down) the claim would then be that they are also biased so there's no real way to achieve what you're asking. Every mod will either be failing to enforce the CoC or deemed biased.


Exactly the way I was thinking of it. That PM sent to Sithborg really did crush all believability from DarthKaotic. Once a PM like that gets sent to a Mod, it is hard for any other Mods to be unbiased to the situation. As Dean just said, it would be awesome if he actually did go through with it cause if he is indeed a cop he'd get fired.
Jango123
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:49:58 AM
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NickName wrote:
The funny thing is that the unbiased mods are the ones dealing with it now. Laugh

And should some other mod take the reins and make the same decision (which they must because there's no room for interpretation in dealing with the PM Sithborg posted today which basically threatened knowingly false action that would result in Bloomilk being shut down) the claim would then be that they are also biased so there's no real way to achieve what you're asking. Every mod will either be failing to enforce the CoC or deemed biased.



To answer the question of what you should be paying attention to:

"What he said".
carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:57:06 AM
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jedispyder wrote:
I do have a quick question for you, carnorjax1. The more I read the first post the more I realize there actually isn't a real point to the post. What were you hoping would happen after your post? I'm truly intrigued here, not judging or anything. You say you thought MdB was a "good guy" and that DarthKaotic "deserved to be mad" and wanting a mod to "look at it from an unbiased angle" but I guess I missed the point of the thread. Are you trying to get MdB to be unbanned? Or just trying to get all the MdB talk to stop?


I apologize for being vague, or maybe burying my point. I suppose the point was to ask everyone to drop it, as these flame wars make everyone look bad. However, I did not want to be just another outraged poster, criticizing MDB for his actions, The other point to this, is I did want to let everyone see it from a different perspective, only because I am very tired of all the hate posts about MDB. As I said, he may or may not be a bad guy, and the mods do the best they can, but my point is that it's time to let it go. This thread may be interpreted as I defense of MDB's actions, that is not the case. As I stated above, I just want everyone to look at it from a different, calmer, perspective, as it seems all I see is everyone hating on this guy, and Darthkaotik only responding with hostility.

I once again apologize if this turns into another flame war, if so, then I sincerely do hope the mods lock it or better yet, delete it.


You all make very good points, Nickname, you are most likely right about there being no unbiased mods. Dnemiller, I disapprove of the hostility displayed by Darthkaotik, but i also understand it. If the mods do indeed follow through, they would be right in doing so. Oh, and read above
tvknight415
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:57:46 AM
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Would someone be willing to fill a guy in here, via PM, what this whole thing is about? Having taken most of the past year off and finally getting back into the swing of things again the last month or so, I see this splashing around the forums and have not a clue what is/was going on (I know someone is p-d off about someone else being banned, but don't have a clue on how we got to this point).



jedispyder
Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:00:26 PM
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carnorjax1 wrote:
I apologize for being vague, or maybe burying my point. I suppose the point was to ask everyone to drop it, as these flame wars make everyone look bad. However, I did not want to be just another outraged poster, criticizing MDB for his actions, The other point to this, is I did want to let everyone see it from a different perspective, only because I am very tired of all the hate posts about MDB. As I said, he may or may not be a bad guy, and the mods do the best they can, but my point is that it's time to let it go. This thread may be interpreted as I defense of MDB's actions, that is not the case. As I stated above, I just want everyone to look at it from a different, calmer, perspective, as it seems all I see is everyone hating on this guy, and Darthkaotik only responding with hostility.

I once again apologize if this turns into another flame war, if so, then I sincerely do hope the mods lock it or better yet, delete it.

To be truthful, you really shouldn't have even started a thread about it if you didn't want it to turn into a flame war, lol. All it does is stir the pot even more than before.
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