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DarkLordVerjal wrote:The idea of have 2 separate miniature games for star wars, that are extremely similar but not compatible discourages me. Myself personally wouldn't go through the hassle of learning a new game, but it wouldn't stop me from buying minis to use for proxies. If they are overly expensive, I can't imagine spending top dollar for proxies.
I am fully aware I don't speak for everyone, but I imagine there is many people who feel the same way. If that it happened it would basically split the community. Some would focus on SWM; others would focus on the new game. PPPMost likely those who invested a ton of money on SWM would stick to it; while those who are new to the game or have a relatively small collection might switch over. Of course, some might try to play both, but IMHO its not really possible to completely devote yourself to two games. Kind of like two seperate sports. Sure, casually you can play both basketball and baseball and even be pretty good at both, but its unheard of to play professionally both of those sports at the same time (the only person whos ever played two seperate sports is Michael Jordan, but thats off-topic). Overall, I would say a similar game will most likely bring a somewhat negative pull on our current SWM. However, a good plus would be that you could use the new minis for proxies and such (assuming theyre the same size). However, if the new figures were made out of hard plastic and un-customizable; I would say we're just plain screwed, lol. Heck, we dont even KNOW if a new game will be even created....
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I look forward to a new game, even if it comes with new rules, because it might spark at least *some* interest of Star Wars in my gaming community. I don't know where you guys are from, but my SWM tournaments, while short-lived, only consisted of around four people. Eventually, the tournaments were stopped altogether because of a lack of interest, and I have no friends in my area who play SWM.
This led me to be more of a collector than a competitor, so I'm anxiously awaiting any news on a new product, regardless of the changes in rules.
Thoughts on the link I posted?
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creme_brule wrote:[quote=DarkLordVerjal]its unheard of to play professionally both of those sports at the same time (the only person whos ever played two seperate sports is Michael Jordan, but thats off-topic). Way off-topic, but also way wrong. Jordan never played the two sports at the same time. He quit basketball and played baseball (badly!), never making it to the major leagues. It's very rare to play 2 sports professionally, but it has been done, and been done successfully. Bo Jackson was an all-star in both sports before being injured. Deion Sanders was an all-star in football and a mediocre (but serviceable) baseball player. Brian Jordan also played both football and baseball. And Jim Thorpe, arguably the best all-around athlete of all-time played all 3 major sports professionally, though that was a loooong time ago.
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Another great possibility would be a children's game with rules too simple for the hobby crowd, but that would provide pieces for the V-sets.
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Knowen about for the last 7 months lol and we still don't know who it is other than who ever picked it up isn't known for minis, I suspect some do know who it is,but can't say who picked it up for one reason or another.
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FlyingArrow wrote:creme_brule wrote:[quote=DarkLordVerjal]its unheard of to play professionally both of those sports at the same time (the only person whos ever played two seperate sports is Michael Jordan, but thats off-topic). Way off-topic, but also way wrong. Jordan never played the two sports at the same time. He quit basketball and played baseball (badly!), never making it to the major leagues. It's very rare to play 2 sports professionally, but it has been done, and been done successfully. Bo Jackson was an all-star in both sports before being injured. Deion Sanders was an all-star in football and a mediocre (but serviceable) baseball player. Brian Jordan also played both football and baseball. And Jim Thorpe, arguably the best all-around athlete of all-time played all 3 major sports professionally, though that was a loooong time ago. Ahhh.... I knew the thing about MJ but forgot to post it with the rest. Didnt know about the rest though. Apparently my analogy had a bunch of exceptions, lol. Fail on my part.
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Jeff Wilson was in the NZ Cricket Team around the same time as he was an All Black... wait, what are we talking about?
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kezzamachine wrote:Jeff Wilson was in the NZ Cricket Team around the same time as he was an All Black... wait, what are we talking about? Lol .. No a double LOL 
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FlyingArrow wrote:creme_brule wrote:[quote=DarkLordVerjal]its unheard of to play professionally both of those sports at the same time (the only person whos ever played two seperate sports is Michael Jordan, but thats off-topic). Way off-topic, but also way wrong. Jordan never played the two sports at the same time. He quit basketball and played baseball (badly!), never making it to the major leagues. It's very rare to play 2 sports professionally, but it has been done, and been done successfully. Bo Jackson was an all-star in both sports before being injured. Deion Sanders was an all-star in football and a mediocre (but serviceable) baseball player. Brian Jordan also played both football and baseball. And Jim Thorpe, arguably the best all-around athlete of all-time played all 3 major sports professionally, though that was a loooong time ago.  Way way off topic...........  Beat me to it. Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders were two I could name off the top of my head.  However, Michael Jordan hardly played badly. The reason he didn't make it to the pro's was because there was a baseball strike and he chose not to cross the picket lines. He was one of the best up and coming prospects even for his age. Although his batting average was in the low 200's he was improving at a rapid pace. He had stolen 30 bases and driven in 51 runs. His fielding percentage was very high as well, well over 900. 
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Sorry, SquelchDog. Those are not good numbers at all. He played badly. 30 SB sounds good until you hear that he was caught 18 times. That is not a good SB %. .202 BA, .289 OBP, .266 SLG is just plain bad however you slice it. Jordan's fielding percentage was .952, but that is a horrible fielding percentage. For comparison, there is not a single outfielder in the major leagues right now with a lower fielding percentage. (2 players are tied for worst at .955) The lowest team fielding percentage in the major leagues right now is .977. .952 and .977 might sound like they're both pretty good, but that means more than twice as many errors.
I found an article that tries to defend Jordan's baseball playing days by saying he went straight to AA instead of starting in Rookie ball or single-A. I don't see how it helps, though - the numbers simply say that he should have started lower.
Maybe if he stuck with it he could have made it to the majors - who knows. Baseball is very different from basketball. Even some of the #1 draft picks never make it to the major leagues. Most players who eventually make it to the major leagues are in the minors for 3-4 years after being drafted. If he worked at it 3-4 years, he probably had as good a chance of making the majors as any other draftee (10-20%), but he was not a hot prospect at all.
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FlyingArrow wrote:Sorry, SquelchDog. Those are not good numbers at all. He played badly. 30 SB sounds good until you hear that he was caught 18 times. That is not a good SB %. .202 BA, .289 OBP, .266 SLG is just plain bad however you slice it. Jordan's fielding percentage was .952, but that is a horrible fielding percentage. For comparison, there is not a single outfielder in the major leagues right now with a lower fielding percentage. (2 players are tied for worst at .955) The lowest team fielding percentage in the major leagues right now is .977. .952 and .977 might sound like they're both pretty good, but that means more than twice as many errors.
I found an article that tries to defend Jordan's baseball playing days by saying he went straight to AA instead of starting in Rookie ball or single-A. I don't see how it helps, though - the numbers simply say that he should have started lower.
Maybe if he stuck with it he could have made it to the majors - who knows. Baseball is very different from basketball. Even some of the #1 draft picks never make it to the major leagues. Most players who eventually make it to the major leagues are in the minors for 3-4 years after being drafted. If he worked at it 3-4 years, he probably had as good a chance of making the majors as any other draftee (10-20%), but he was not a hot prospect at all. My bad, I should have specified that compared to AA stat's they were good. Ya gotta remember too that they're season is shorter. Compared to MLB stat's, no he wasn't that good. My point was more that with more work and no strike he could have played in the MLB. His work ethic in baseball was better than most MLB players at the time.
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SquelchDog wrote:My bad, I should have specified that compared to AA stat's they were good. Ya gotta remember too that they're season is shorter. Compared to MLB stat's, no he wasn't that good. My point was more that with more work and no strike he could have played in the MLB. His work ethic in baseball was better than most MLB players at the time. He might have made it, but it's pure speculation. The strike had no bearing on whether he'd play in the majors - he was 2 or 3 years away from even having a chance of being good enough for the majors. I wasn't referring to any raw statistics, just averages, so a shorter season doesn't really make any difference. It does take some time for averages to stabilize, but he played a full season of baseball. AA is shorter, but it's still over 120 games. He ranked 27 in his league for plate appearances, so he had a chance to play: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/leader.cgi?type=bat&id=19c1af65&sort_by=PAIn that league, only 5 of the top ten hitters (ranked by BA) ever made it to the major leagues. Jordan was ranked #99 in BA. : http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/leader.cgi?type=bat&id=19c1af65&sort_by=batting_avgEven if he dramatically improved at AA, he was 2 levels away from the majors.
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FlyingArrow wrote:He might have made it, but it's pure speculation. The strike had no bearing on whether he'd play in the majors - he was 2 or 3 years away from even having a chance of being good enough for the majors. I wasn't referring to any raw statistics, just averages, so a shorter season doesn't really make any difference. It does take some time for averages to stabilize, but he played a full season of baseball. AA is shorter, but it's still over 120 games. He ranked 27 in his league for plate appearances, so he had a chance to play: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/leader.cgi?type=bat&id=19c1af65&sort_by=PAIn that league, only 5 of the top ten hitters (ranked by BA) ever made it to the major leagues. Jordan was ranked #99 in BA. : http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/leader.cgi?type=bat&id=19c1af65&sort_by=batting_avgEven if he dramatically improved at AA, he was 2 levels away from the majors. Well ya, it's pure speculation, kinda goes without saying. Obviously we'll never know.  The strike didn't have any bearing on whether he'd play. However, it was a major factor in his decision making process. Which as we know led to him going back to basketball. Personally, I'd have liked to see him stay in baseball. Would have been cool to see what he could have done there. Although I think a lot of basketball fans would disagree with that. Ya, he was at least 2-3 years from making the big leagues. Problem is, I think he would have been in his mid 30's by then. Ya, that batting average was way to low unfortunately. To me, if that had been higher, I think he may have leaned more toward staying in baseball. His other averages were decent though. Oh well, like I said we'll never know.
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Almost forgot, a good show to watch on ESPN is Jordan's 30 by 30 episode. Kinda got way off topic. Anyone heard anything new about SW Mini's?
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I'm glad he went back to basketball. If he didn't go back, there would always be a debate about the greatest of all time. People still debate it of course - they always do. But Jordan almost always comes out on top. If he had only 3 rings instead of 6, he'd be in the same category as Barry Sanders. Always in the discussion for greatest of all time, but always a question about how long he could have sustained his greatness and whether he reached his peak.
Jordan was great, but his last shot in 1998 is what is imprinted in my memory more than anything. Jordan blatantly pushing off Bryon Russell with an offensive foul but no whistle. Bulls win the series.
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FlyingArrow wrote:I'm glad he went back to basketball. If he didn't go back, there would always be a debate about the greatest of all time. People still debate it of course - they always do. But Jordan almost always comes out on top. If he had only 3 rings instead of 6, he'd be in the same category as Barry Sanders. Always in the discussion for greatest of all time, but always a question about how long he could have sustained his greatness and whether he reached his peak.
Jordan was great, but his last shot in 1998 is what is imprinted in my memory more than anything. Jordan blatantly pushing off Bryon Russell with an offensive foul but no whistle. Bulls win the series. Ya, I think the vast majority of people would agree with you there dude. No doubt in my mind anyway. Is that the game where that was the winning shot, and he start's his fist pumping thing? That's a part of basketball that always sticks in my craw. IMO, they don't follow all the rules where foul's are concerned. Including the referees not calling them. It's one thing if a ref doesn't see it and it's not called. It's something else when it is ignored. Traveling for instance is almost always ignored. What other sport does that? None that comes to my mind anyway. Then fouls are used intentionally at the end of most every game. Aren't the rule's of most sports there to discourage players from committing them? All this leads to Squelchy not even bothering to watch or follow the sport until the playoffs start. Sorry to say it, but it's my least favorite sport out there.
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