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kezzamachine wrote:One thing I think I needs emphasise about the Ranking System is that it is ultimately an ability to track YOUR games. You don't get 'extra' points for knocking over a highly ranked player - you get the same amount you would if you had beaten your mate or the worst player in the game. That means that the Ranking score you get will show YOUR average game. Its essentially a record of that. What this also does is it can show you what that looks like stacked up against others. That's where it can be fun. I do have questions too about the third weighting step - that you can only achieve 67% of your total score unless you enter and play in a Sanctioned Tier 1 Tournament. I know you guys have probably thought it through longer than I have, but I would have thought that maybe it throws bias the other way - for example, if there are two equally good players at a lgs, and one plays in a regional and the other doesn't, the one that has won't have the ranking handicap. In my opinion, it would be better if you're only eligible for a national or international ranking if you have played in an appropriately large tournament in the last year. So your local group ranking is unaffected by whether you've played in a national tournament or not, you just won't be able to get onto the main ranking system unless you have participated at a national level.
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Well, if you have two players at the LGS level who are roughly equal and only one goes to the major tournament, they've kinda already separated themselves. They both (should) know that to get the extra rating you need to attend a Major and they make that choice. There are folk in the US that attend several Regionals, so it is possible to get multiple swings at it.
The way the third weighting step will work will be that in the first 6 months after attendind the Major, you'll have the full points and then after that it will steadily depreciated until after a year it will be back to 67% (much the same as other depreciation rates).
I do, however, think that there is something in what you are saying in eligibilty. There should be a place to have your 'unaffected score', so that if the above situation arises, you'll be able to see where you all sit within your area. However, you will still be ranked by the official score via the third weighting step.
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Told you I'd be checking this thread. A couple of questions...
1. I am assuming that byes are handled the same way as always in tournaments, but do they count for anything in the rankings themselves?
2. I have a tournament to report. Who do I report it to?
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With Darth_Jim's assistance, we will report out the FrostyCon results using this system.
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DARPH NADER wrote:With Darth_Jim's assistance, we will report out the FrostyCon results using this system. Great, more pressure. Now everybody will know how I did.(Is Roy going? He could probably put together a killer NR Mara / GMLS squad.)
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FROSTY THE TOURNY, WAS A JOLLY HAPPY PLACE WITH EPIC SQUADS AND RESTRICTED MAPS AND 2 EYES MADE OUT OF KOL (skywalker)
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Darth_Jim wrote:1. I am assuming that byes are handled the same way as always in tournaments, but do they count for anything in the rankings themselves? As the system only ranks your games, byes won't be shown. They still are the real deal for tournaments and will be handled however each tournament organiser handles them, but the ranking won't score byes. You haven't played a game against anyone, so there's no one for you to record a result against. (We could set up a theoretical opponent called "Byes" and you could record a result against "it" but then poor old "Byes" would ultimately lose to everyone or woe be to anyone that loses a bye...) Darth_Jim wrote:2. I have a tournament to report. Who do I report it to? Ah, yes... the golden question. At the moment, we're still trying to fit the website together and marry the reporting component into it. I currently have a form that you can go through and enter individual results from a tournament (not as much fun unless you have a passion for data entry) but what I'd like to do is get a nice little button glued into the tournament software so that you can click that and it will give you the information in an easily copy-able/paste-able format so it can be sucked across nicely. That's the plan.
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Kez, this is nothing short of awesome! Thank you so much for your work on this! Can't wait until its fully operational!
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Unfortunately Roy will not be in attendance but I can say with some certainty, we'll see that Newport Light smoking minx out there. As jak will recall from Epic Duos... Felcor to Mara... "Did you see a little jedi girl (JS SotJ) pass through here?" Stubbing her Newport out on the floor of the Rancor Pit and exhaling Mara replied, "she went that way." As the Felcor passed by the minx thought to herself; my this is going to be a shame, as she was still in Spy mode.
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I think it's great to have a new rating system almost online. I personally really enjoyed using the old DCI system to see how I measured up against other players. This new system seems to address old faults with that system such as players staying at or near the top in the world or their area and yet seemingly never playing top competition in big tournaments (I can think of many examples of this).
I also like that players must venture to Regionals or GenCon to raise their record to the best it can be...it might help increase turnouts to said events which would be great. Lastly, I would think and hope that casual players would want to gauge their progress in the game and watch as they hopefully improve the longer they play.
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Okay, peoples. Its the 20th in NZ so sometime in the next day I'm gonna post up the link and tell you what's up about the Ranking site. T minus 1 day?
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Are there going to be separate rankings for Limited and Constructed?
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Not at this stage, although we can have that discussion. Once the site is "fully operational", we could (I'm sure) easily tag out the results by format so you could see the Rankings by Limited/Constructed... or who the best Epic player was etc.
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kezzamachine wrote:Not at this stage, although we can have that discussion. Once the site is "fully operational", we could (I'm sure) easily tag out the results by format so you could see the Rankings by Limited/Constructed... or who the best Epic player was etc. I can think of other tags. According to the floor rules, "Constructed" vs "Limited" only has to do with squadbuilding rules. It's limited if it's a sealed or draft game, or if you are restricted in the factions or sets you can choose from. Otherwise it's Constructed. Beyond that, there are lots of other possible tags. Fixed activation (Dynamic Duo/Fantastic Four/etc), Scenarios, etc.
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What's up, my SWM homeboys.
Well, the site has been live for a week now and we've got somewhere between 10-20 non-NZ players registered (awesome) and about 5-6 Leagues (awesome) as well as the first non-NZ ranking points distributed - 6 new additions to the list! (That, by the way, is not as awesome as I drop further down the rankings... teach me to drop my only 3 games of the year thus far...)
Anyhoo, I'm working wi' my man Lloyd to give the Add Game area some more teeth and get the Tournament section up and running so those of you with multiple games/rounds/players can add them a heck of a lot easier, but one of my thinkings at the moment is based around the front page. I am in the process of pretty-ing it up and tidying up the info that you see (as well as add a key) and I want to add the ability to filter the results you see. Currently you have the option to view the rankings as an overall and also by specific League which is good. How that works is that you can see which games that have been played under that league so even if a competitor comes from another area, if he plays a game in that league, he'll show up there. I think that's good. But, I'd also like to add the ability to view the rankings by Geographic Region too. Every player (I'm pretty sure) fills in where they are from so it should be easy to see who's the top in your region. As if Lloyd didn't have enough to code...
The third and coolest part I'd like to see added in is the option to filter by Format. That way you could see who is the best 200 Constructed player, or who's the best Epic player... something like that. The best way I see it being done is that you have a series of tick boxes so that you could turn on or off results based on their format. I'm also thinking that there should be Constructed and Limited as overall selections too... but my question to you is: what formats should I be including/making provision for? Yes, 200, 150, 100 etc... but should I be making a place for an 111pt tournament (100pts plus dice roll)? Yes Epic Duos and Epic Skirmish... but whatabout Epic 300pt/6 Activation tournaments? What do I need to include/think about? How will we make Lloyd's day?
You rule.
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I think for format, there should be a few "dials" that can be set to whatever values are appropriate. And then there should be a number of "standard" formats that automatically set all the dials for you.
Possible set of dials (probably not the ideal set - this is just one stab at it):
Squadbuilding rules Faction rules (Standard, Boosters, or Custom) Legal sets (Checkbox for each set; typically either all sets (standard) or just one (booster)) Symmetric/Asymmetric (all the others below only apply if symmetric) Points (Integer, not just 100/150/200, although a drop down with standard selections would be good) Activation restrictions? (yes/no) If yes on activation restrictions then these two options: Max Activations, Min Activations (both integers, but also with an n/a option)
Skirmish rules Symmetric/Asymmetric Goal (Standard: points; Kill-em-all; Other(Scenario))
Then these standard options would automatically set all of the above "dials" to the appropriate values:
Standard formats 100, 150, 200 300 Epic Epic Duos Dynamic Duo Terrific Trio Fantastic Four Tile Wars Boosters Booster Draft
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