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Affinity and Faction only Commander Effects/Special Abilities have always confused me. So, if Kal Skirata is in Mandalorian squad and he brings in an ARC Trooper in via Affinity, does that ARC Trooper count as a Mandalorian character? And, the other instance, if Jaina Solo, Sword of the Jedi is in a Mandalorian squad due to her Affinity, does she count as a Mandalorian character? And also, if they do count as Mandalorian characters, can they be in a Sith squad via Ulic Qel-Droma? Thanks guys (and maybe gals) 
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Affinity changes the character's faction when it joins the squad, so the ARC and Jaina become Mandos in a Mando based squad. They cannot be in a Sith based squad as they do not count as Mandos unless in a Mando squad. side note: The real fun starts when you put Mandalore the Ultimate into a Ulic Squad. You end up with a Sith based squad which contains all Mandos due to Mandalorian Conscription. 
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swinefeld wrote:Affinity changes the character's faction when it joins the squad, so the ARC and Jaina become Mandos in a Mando based squad.
They cannot be in a Sith based squad as they do not count as Mandos unless in a Mando squad.
Thanks  So, could an ARC Trooper could be brought in as Mandalorian Reinforcements for Jaster Mereel if Kal Skirata is in the squad? swinefeld wrote: side note: The real fun starts when you put Mandalore the Ultimate into a Ulic Squad. You end up with a Sith based squad which contains all Mandos due to Mandalorian Conscription. Yeah, that's fun; or, add in Atton "Jaq" Rand and Ulic, and Madalore the Ultimate for a Sith/Old Republic/Mandalorian Squad with only Mandalorians. 
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Bob Chizo wrote:swinefeld wrote:Affinity changes the character's faction when it joins the squad, so the ARC and Jaina become Mandos in a Mando based squad.
They cannot be in a Sith based squad as they do not count as Mandos unless in a Mando squad.
Thanks So, could an ARC Trooper could be brought in as Mandalorian Reinforcements for Jaster Mereel if Kal Skirata is in the squad? Yes.
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Sorry if I'm being dense, but, how would the ARC Trooper become Mandalorian in the first example? Skirata's affinity doesn't say that characters brought in this way count as Mandalorian. 501st troopers brought into Imperial squads via Darth Vader Sith Apprentice don't become Imperial. An Ithorian Commander brought into a New Republic squad via Garm Bel Iblis' reinforcements is still a Rebel piece. An Ossus Guardian in the same squad WOULD be a New Republic piece, but only because it has New Republic affinity itself. The Ossus Guardian could not be brought into a Rebel squad via Garm's reinforcements, because it won't be a New Republic figure except in a New Republic squad.
Obviously reinforcements are not the same thing as Affinity--I was just using that as an example because I'm very familiar with how that squad works, and there was a big discussion when the YVOGs first came out about whether they could be brought into Rebel squads.
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swinefeld wrote:side note: The real fun starts when you put Mandalore the Ultimate into a Ulic Squad. You end up with a Sith based squad which contains all Mandos due to Mandalorian Conscription. that lil' trick kept Hoth from sith hunting Bane 
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UrbanShmi wrote:Sorry if I'm being dense, but, how would the ARC Trooper become Mandalorian in the first example? Skirata's affinity doesn't say that characters brought in this way count as Mandalorian. 501st troopers brought into Imperial squads via Darth Vader Sith Apprentice don't become Imperial. An Ithorian Commander brought into a New Republic squad via Garm Bel Iblis' reinforcements is still a Rebel piece. An Ossus Guardian in the same squad WOULD be a New Republic piece, but only because it has New Republic affinity itself. The Ossus Guardian could not be brought into a Rebel squad via Garm's reinforcements, because it won't be a New Republic figure except in a New Republic squad.
Obviously reinforcements are not the same thing as Affinity--I was just using that as an example because I'm very familiar with how that squad works, and there was a big discussion when the YVOGs first came out about whether they could be brought into Rebel squads. Affinity always changes the faction of the affected character, as I understand it. I can't find a reference to 501st clones not becoming Imperials via Vader SA's affinity. Perhaps you are thinking of Order 66 and Palpy Sith Lord's CE? Jaster can bring in ARCs (IF Skirata is in the squad) as reinforcements for the same reason Garm can bring Ossus into NR, because they are allowed by Affinity breaking the normal faction rules.
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UrbanShmi wrote:Sorry if I'm being dense, but, how would the ARC Trooper become Mandalorian in the first example? Skirata's affinity doesn't say that characters brought in this way count as Mandalorian. 501st troopers brought into Imperial squads via Darth Vader Sith Apprentice don't become Imperial. An Ithorian Commander brought into a New Republic squad via Garm Bel Iblis' reinforcements is still a Rebel piece. An Ossus Guardian in the same squad WOULD be a New Republic piece, but only because it has New Republic affinity itself. The Ossus Guardian could not be brought into a Rebel squad via Garm's reinforcements, because it won't be a New Republic figure except in a New Republic squad.
Obviously reinforcements are not the same thing as Affinity--I was just using that as an example because I'm very familiar with how that squad works, and there was a big discussion when the YVOGs first came out about whether they could be brought into Rebel squads. Affinity: The specified character can be in the specified squad even if it belongs to a different faction. That character’s faction is now considered to be the same as that squad’s. For example, Mas Amedda would have the Imperial faction if he is in an Imperial squad. Affinity is different than CE's that bring in characters from different faction, such as Ulic and Yage, and others abilities that allow different factions pieces, such as Order 66, Dismount, or Reinforcements. Affinity will change the faction of either characters it brings in or the character itself, whoever it effects.
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Sithborg wrote:UrbanShmi wrote:Sorry if I'm being dense, but, how would the ARC Trooper become Mandalorian in the first example? Skirata's affinity doesn't say that characters brought in this way count as Mandalorian. 501st troopers brought into Imperial squads via Darth Vader Sith Apprentice don't become Imperial. An Ithorian Commander brought into a New Republic squad via Garm Bel Iblis' reinforcements is still a Rebel piece. An Ossus Guardian in the same squad WOULD be a New Republic piece, but only because it has New Republic affinity itself. The Ossus Guardian could not be brought into a Rebel squad via Garm's reinforcements, because it won't be a New Republic figure except in a New Republic squad.
Obviously reinforcements are not the same thing as Affinity--I was just using that as an example because I'm very familiar with how that squad works, and there was a big discussion when the YVOGs first came out about whether they could be brought into Rebel squads. Affinity: The specified character can be in the specified squad even if it belongs to a different faction. That character’s faction is now considered to be the same as that squad’s. For example, Mas Amedda would have the Imperial faction if he is in an Imperial squad. Affinity is different than CE's that bring in characters from different faction, such as Ulic and Yage, and others abilities that allow different factions pieces, such as Order 66, Dismount, or Reinforcements. Affinity will change the faction of either characters it brings in or the character itself, whoever it effects. So, with Dismount (for the Nightsister on Rancor), would the Nightsister placed on the board be Fringe or Imperial?
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Dismount does not change the faction. Thus the Nightsister Sith Witch would remain Imperial.
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What if you are playing, say, a rebel squad? If Nightsister on Rancor is killed, can you bring in a Nightsister Sith Witch, thus allowing you to have a squad that is not one faction (not including Fringe)? A squad that is both Rebel and Imperial?
Also, a different question:
Let's say that Kota is in a Rebel Troop Transport. Kota is said to be considered adjacent to the transport, but he counts distance from the transport. What happens if Kota uses Force Repulse 5? Does it damage the Troop Transport? Would it damage the other character in the Transport? Or are the effects of Force Repulse 5 counted from the Troop Transport, thus allowing it to escape from harm? And, in this case, would the othe carried character take damage?
Now that I think of it, if Kota's Force Repulse does end up affecting the Troop Transport, how is the Transport moved five squares away? What about the other character in the transport?
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1. You would have a Rebel squad with an Imperial piece in it.
2. Repulse 5 would affect the Troop Cart any other passengers. Since they are unable to be moved further away from Kota, the would only take the damage and save for activation.
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Sithborg wrote:1. You would have a Rebel squad with an Imperial piece in it. So, the Nightsister reverts to an Imp piece from a Fringe piece upon defeat of the Rancor, correct? It doesn't remain Fringe?
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Correct.
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That's good to know with Command Effects that affect Fringe characters.
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