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Verpine Shatter Rifle Options
501 Trooper
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:01:13 PM
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Can you use Abilities like double attack and extra attack with verpine shatter rifle since the text for verpine shatter rifle states: Replaces turn: Choose 1 enemy within line of sight, ignoring cover. Make an attack against that enemy.
and the text for double attack says: On its turn, this character can make 1 extra attack instead of moving
and since you can't move when you use VSR, can you still use double/extra?
Bubba Fett
Posted: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:06:44 PM
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No. The text of Verpine Shatter Rifle States that it replaces turn. Therefore you cannot use any other ability, attack or movement credited to the character.
obsidian7788
Posted: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:58:06 PM
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If im not mistaken u can use twin with vsr.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:38:01 PM
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obsidian7788 wrote:
If im not mistaken u can use twin with vsr.


Correct. You can't use Double, but you can use Twin.

A turn is normally broken up into two parts: move and attack. If you don't attack, you can move twice as far (double your speed). If you don't move and you have Double Attack then you can attack twice.

However, with a 'replaces turn' ability, you lose both your opportunity to move and to attack. VSR replaces turn. It just so happens that VSR itself generates an attack a part of its ability, but Double Attack doesn't interact with VSR - Double Attack is triggered only when you're making a normal attack without moving.

Twin Attack is different - it triggers after you make an attack, every time. It is not related to the move/attack parts of your turn. So when VSR generates an attack, Twin triggers as well. Twin also triggers on attacks of opportunity. The only attacks that don't trigger Twin Attack are those attacks generated by Twin Attack. (Otherwise, you'd have an infinite series of attacks... Attack, Twin, Twin off the Twin, Twin off the Twin off the Twin, etc.)
knappskirata
Posted: Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:08:21 PM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
obsidian7788 wrote:
If im not mistaken u can use twin with vsr.


Correct. You can't use Double, but you can use Twin.

A turn is normally broken up into two parts: move and attack. If you don't attack, you can move twice as far (double your speed). If you don't move and you have Double Attack then you can attack twice.

However, with a 'replaces turn' ability, you lose both your opportunity to move and to attack. VSR replaces turn. It just so happens that VSR itself generates an attack a part of its ability, but Double Attack doesn't interact with VSR - Double Attack is triggered only when you're making a normal attack without moving.

Twin Attack is different - it triggers after you make an attack, every time. It is not related to the move/attack parts of your turn. So when VSR generates an attack, Twin triggers as well. Twin also triggers on attacks of opportunity. The only attacks that don't trigger Twin Attack are those attacks generated by Twin Attack. (Otherwise, you'd have an infinite series of attacks... Attack, Twin, Twin off the Twin, Twin off the Twin off the Twin, etc.)
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