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I'm just curious what peoples thoughts on the new Zam Wessel, and Morrigan Corde pieces... I have alot of interactions with them in my play group, all in different factions and different ideas. So my question is...
Do you guys think these are the most efficient pieces in the last v set? Or the most under costed for what they can do?
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I don't like that Morrigan Corde cancels CEs for a round. I think there's enough CE cancellation going on, and I don't like having to keep track of things like that.
I like that she can get her damage through without allowing a response like Evade or anything like that.
We haven't used the new Zam much so I don't know about her right now.
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I like the design of both, but have yet to use either one.
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Zam is good. But expensive. How much do you have to be worried about a deepstrike moving in to kill her. And she is very map dependant. A pity though that she will be so rough on Large and Huge pieces. But she has her place, and can be used quite well. Lack of Accurate really limits her, though.
Morrigan is a nice disruption piece. She is rough on front line commanders, sure. But outside of that, she is a bit limited in who she can affect. Yeah, she'll take out your CE's on a fig for a round. But how much is that +11 going to hit. Dash at least makes up for it in volume. Not that much with Morigan. Hitting Gowk in cover is till a tough time.
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I think Zam is probably the most powerful (that is, cost-effective) piece in the set. I've played with and against her many times, both on Vassal and in person, and almost every time she has had a significant impact on the game. Rigged Detonators is really cool (and I think good for the game, to counter some of the save-dependant mechanics like SSM), and it's simply superb with Missiles 30 and Double/Careful/Final Shot. Also, being able to attack at +21 much of the time is very powerful, especially when it's safe to stand still because of Cloaked). So far I've seen her best used with R2 Astromech and Captain Tarpals, but there are other good options too. The thing is, she's fairly self-contained and can fit into most other squads without too much trouble.
Morrigan is good too. Suppressive Fire can be a game-changer in certain circumstances. And the combo of Charging Fire and Agile is very well designed. But IMHO her +9/+11 attack really holds her back. She needs an attack boost (Opportunist, Momentum, something) in order to hit reliably, and yet she doesn't do enough damage to make it worthwhile to build around her. She's solid, and I do have to be careful when playing against her, but she's not a piece that I'm strongly taken with yet. Maybe there's a squad out there that turns her into a crippling beast, but I just haven't found it yet.
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Both of them are very vulnerable to deep strikes and nuke damage (Lord Vader, Mara Jade Jedi, etc.). Their existence might even tip the meta a little bit away from tank squads that have been popular lately and more towards those surgical type of squads. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking, because I prefer playing with nukes way more than playing with tanks. Morrigan's low Attack is definitely a problem, especially at her point cost. She's quite good though, but that and her low survivability balance her quite a bit. Against some squads she'll absolutely be a game changer, but against many other squads she'll do a little damage and then die without effecting the game that much. Pretty much the same thing with Zam. They're balanced quite well, they just answer the specific meta that we've gotten into now and will encourage new stuff to be played. Zam is also super map-dependent, which I don't like. Basically: They're both really well designed, and only appear broken if you are looking at what has been good as opposed to what will be good. Does Suppressive Fire and Rigged Detonators counter favorites like Mace/GOWK really well? It sure does. But the stuff that Mace/GOWK countered are counters to these pieces.
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Zam is a cornerstone in my squads these days the ability to turn her into a cloaked mouse is amazing handing out CE's all while cloaked and unhitable along with her rigged detonators and missiles 30 doing unavoidable damage toss in tarpals and boba fett enforcer in a squad with R2 or foul and u can pretty much move them at will. Morrigan I use quite often as well the way I do it is to give her a extra attack with a twi'lek BSV some GMA she hits 4 times unavoidable now and with agile she gets basiclly Attack 8 I call it . Pair her up with Darth Vader Lotf or Obi Jedi Gen. and work her in.
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I jump back and forth on this all the time. On one hand, Morrigans low attack/damage shouldn't be that game changing. But when I play her, normally its with either seps or Imperial. She will be good in rebel after this v set, throw in a Czerka and she has a good chance of activating someone. But if you don't have act control, or a way to bost her damge... She is not worth it at all.
Zam has ridiculous stats just by herself. Using her with GOWK and Tarpals is pretty fun, swapping her with Revan or through Thrawn, another way to make use of her abilities. Droppiing her in OR is awesome because she doesn't need the attacll boost, only the damage. ( an interesting fun side squad in OR with her, Bastilla, Atton, Exile, Zam, filler) Using her in NR and Rebel is unique, not much can be done for her damage, but being able to be levitated to propper spots is very very useful. Seps, she will be more useful soon, but still has great damage output in there ( I consider bombs a damage boost, because they are cheap and very reasonable for their costs in Seps, but you could also use a Spotter to boost the damage by 20 on the first one ;) )
I'm not trying to say these pieces are broken by any means, or that they were poorly designed, because I like most everything on them.... Suppressive Fire being my main dislike, and complete utter dislike, but thats neither here nor there.
I'm more curious in what other people use with these pieces to see how versatile they are. I use top think the latest IG was the most versatile piece in the V Sets. But now I wonder if Zam or Morrigan will become the new leaders of that poll?
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