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CorellianComedian
Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2015 7:45:24 PM
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Jaster Mereel's CE: "Each follower within 6 squares can make 1 immediate attack when defeated."

Pre Vizsla's CE: "Death Watch followers gain Self Destruct 20. Once per turn, each follower within 6 squares may reroll 1 attack. If the result of the rerolled attack is a miss, the attacking character is defeated."

Can the deathshot granted by Jaster be rerolled via Vizsla?

(and on a side note, wouldn't that be great if your Death Watch guys could blow up twice? LOL)
kobayashimaru
Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:23:27 PM
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Heh, I never noticed that....
and there's nothing stopping Pre Vizsla being in a Mereel or Fett squad...
this is a good question and food for thought, so here's my humble perspective.

I think Jaster Mereel is not part of the Death Watch, but rather is a 'True Mandalorian' faction,
and so wouldn't count as a follower.
Also, Jaster has a CE, so he can't benefit from CE's (unless they explicitly contradict the rulebook). Followers are characters who do not have CE's. Droid characters cannot benefit from CE's (unless the CE explicitly states otherwise) and are immune from critical hits.
But, if there was ever a Montross... then you'd have something to worry about. BigGrin

Though, deathwatch faction pieces between Jaster and Pre Vizsla is more of the hypothetical we're exploring eh?

Flipside of the coin, hypothetically 'official' rules notwithstanding,
I think it would work a little like Nom Bomb squads, and a little like the old Rebel Storm Vader squads. That said, yeah... you could have it resolve.
I don't know when you'd have to declare the intention to re-roll... it says once per turn, for any 1 attack a follower in 6 makes. each follower can reroll 1 attack, and if the result of an attack is a miss (so, a natural 1 or does not exceed the DF of the target, as opposed to 'does not cause damage').
Most of the time you'd probably want to reroll an attack you're making on that turn, rather than reroll a 'Mandalorian Death Riposte' attack.

Can a character be defeated again if they're already defeated?
Does Self Destruct 20 only trigger when HPs are reduced to zero (is that what defeat means as opposed to 'removed from play')?

Okay, so long story short BigGrin
- can the deathshot granted by Jaster be rerolled via the PV CE?: yes, it could be.
- what would happen if the reroll is a miss... : 1 explosion occurs total, because a character cannot be defeated after it has been defeated (which was the trigger for Jaster's CE). this is because of how _Nickname_ explained how triggers resolve. (though it would be cool to see a few super explosions, with Pawn of the Darkside BigGrin )
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2015 8:33:27 PM
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Yes, you could reroll the death-shot, or one of them, if you happened to have twin.
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 6:46:34 AM
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Thanks guys!
SignerJ
Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:38:49 AM
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Another question: What happens if a Death Watch Raider rolls a 1 on the deathshot, thus triggering Internal Strife? Would you opponent still get the victory points?
kobayashimaru
Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 7:18:54 AM
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@SignerJ,
mind BLOWN. BigGrin or, nom-bomb-ception.
Do they change sides before the second attack or after?
I don't think they'd get the Victory Points...
they'd be dead before the Internal Strife triggered.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:12:24 AM
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SignerJ wrote:
Another question: What happens if a Death Watch Raider rolls a 1 on the deathshot, thus triggering Internal Strife? Would you opponent still get the victory points?


Yes, the character was already defeated.
CorellianComedian
Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:29:44 AM
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SignerJ wrote:
Another question: What happens if a Death Watch Raider rolls a 1 on the deathshot, thus triggering Internal Strife? Would you opponent still get the victory points?


That would've been the greatest thing ever. LOL "If you strike me down... I will shoot back, blow up, and steal your victory points!"
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