Munn tactics broker changes their init to a 1, so unless the player with the munn rolls a 1 as well to force a reroll that would work.

In short, it's a really poorly designed ability.

If nothing else, why can it be used on the roll of a 1? That's stupid.

Why give Qui-Gon 4 force points to use it twice? There's usually only 3-4 really critical inits in a game. Theoretically you'll win half of those anyway. So more than one use is devistating.


Especially ridiculous that it was given to the Republic. (What!?!) Like they needed uber init control.

I think he was saying that the tactician effects would supersede the sense the future as they stay with the owner. The high tactician thing was like if you have a fig with tactician +8 and your opponent uses sense the future you still add the +8 to you init after the switch so if the rolls were you 12, and your opponent 5, you would still win init as yours would then be 13 with the tactician+8 bonus applied.

I don't believe this is correct.

Anticipation should happen before Sense the future. Sense the future says after rolled and chosen. I would assume that you wouldn't have chosen a roll if you were re-rolling with anticipation.

from your second link



So not sure why that would be before you determine using anticipation, because I assume that if you get to know your final roll, that you get to know your opponents final roll as they are simultaneous.

Because it is very possible to end up with Anticipation and Sense the Future (Ki-Adi and Quggiy) in the same squad. So I don't know how I would know my final roll until after I have resolved my Anticipation re-roll.

in the glossary here on bloo (which I know isn't always 100% correct), Sense the Future says

"Replace the initiative check after rolls are revealed and chosen, but before you take the first activation."

This would imply that it is later than Anticipation. I always thought Scott's clarification to "before init is determined" meant that you switching would actually be beneficial. If it were truly after init was determined, it would only be useful in a reserves squad as who was going first would have already been decided. Also to clarify that you still apply all modifiers to the roll (tactics broker, tactician, etc).

But yes, hopefully Scott or Dave can swing by and give us a resolution to this ability.

Take a look at the first link again. I tried to make sense of everything and asked for help. No guarantee what I have is right, but with all the abilities working together, that setup seemed to be the most consistent with all the rulings. If Anticipation is after initiative is determined, then it's after Sense the Future. But of course, if Anticipation is after initiative is determined what good does it do? So I assumed you return to an earlier step after re-rolling for Anticipation. What I have is consistent with every ruling I could find, but I did have to make my best guess about some things.

For example, what if you don't use Sense the Future the first time around and then Anticipation is used to reroll a die - can you use StF after Anticipation rerolls? I said no - you decide whether to use it or not the first time you reach step 5. Especially relevant if one side has both StF and Anticipation while the other has just StF. The Anticipation player could delay use of StF until after the first player already used his.

This ruling is incomplete and this situation is absurd.



What's absurd is that rulings are scattered all over the place in threads like this. Answering questions is one thing, but new rulings need to be collected somewhere. I've tried to do just that. There has been a thread on this topic out there for well over a year that incoporates all of these rulings, and I've specifically asked for corrections:

Pre-Game and Pre-Round Procedures

I put a *lot* of work into tracking down all the rulings hidden in threads like this. I put together a coherent system that incorporates all of them. I listed the places where I made judgment calls (and some of my guesses are still present in that thread), and I asked for corrections/input.

This particular topic wasn't even a place where I had a question because I thought it was pretty clear.

* Anticipation's glossary says "After initiative is determined".
* In another thread (Sense the Future Ruling - 2nd post), you stated that Sense the Future "happens before initiative is determined."

So I thought that was pretty clear that Anticipation happens after Sense the Future. Okay, so that's changing. That's fine. I'd like to update the Pre-Round Procedures thread, but I don't know how to. (This is the 'incomplete' part of the ruling.) Are Anticipation and Sense the Future both now "before" initiative is determined (errata to Anticipation) or both "after" initiative is determined - reverting Sense the Future to its original wording?

In any case, please take a look at that thread. I link to it almost every time I answer a rules question about pre-game or pre-round procedures, because the answer is already there, and having the whole procedure spelled out answers other questions before they are even asked. In other words, if there are errors in that thread, other players are accepting those errors, and it would be good for the community if they would be corrected.

In short:
* Are Anticipation/Sense the Future both now "after initiative is determined" or "before initiative is determined"?
* Please take a look at the Pre-Game and Pre-Round Procedures thread and provide any other corrections that are needed.

Sorry for the rant, but rants seem to get more attention. And, seriously, if there are errors in the pre-round procedures thread, they should be corrected.