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Sunderland723
Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:33:52 PM
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What would you pay for what you considered a perfect custom character of your choice. I'm talking painted and sculpted like it was done by a company. Customs like Ragnos or Tenebrous for instance that are perfectly done. I'm curious?
Sunderland723
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:11:12 AM
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I have the ability to create very professional looking customs. I was thinking about creating characters such as Marka Ragnos, Kylo Ren, Darth Tenebrous just to name a few. What would you pay to have these characters created to perfection in your opinion in your collection?
kobayashimaru
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:56:30 AM
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Great to see you on the forums BlooMilk
What a great question BigGrin - it's somewhat a curveball; considering it questions 'value',
though I'll be as succinct as possible

I'm not an authority by any stretch of the imagination; I'm sharing some stuff I've learned along the way gaming in tabletop stuff
by asking lots of questions just like this to as many folks as possible hehehe
how else do we learn BigGrin
I've come to appreciate more, what goes into a final product.
it's something 'you know when you see it', y'know? BigGrin

so, there's a few options to realising the custom you'd envisage:

1) the most cost effective |and potentially fun| option, DIY.
Practice makes awesome, and it can be done to your level of finish.
100% control over costs ensures the project is as cost effective as can be.
a lot of folks who think they couldn't make miniatures find they're better at making customs than they expect,
and things like Pepakura/papercraft expand the media people can experiment with.

2) a light customiser/cut-and-reposition maker - these folks make awesome final products using
predominantly already available components and off-the-shelf stock parts with
some greenstuff or 3D printed miniatures etc. Most of my stuff'd fit into this category hehehe
This can get expensive if there's more greenstuff/custom stuff, more colors and the parts are rarer etc, but this can also be cost effective and looks neat.
send a prospective maker a private email or bloomail, Private Message etc, and be sure to share some sketches or picture-references and your potential budget - if the artist is agreeable, some negotiation happens and bada-bing! you've got neat figures BigGrin
sometimes, you'll be able to trade what the folks need or other things, other times - a little currency'll make things a win win.
Its usually lowest bidder reverse tender for the process - 'shop around' a little, and go with the best value proposition and all the checklist bonuses hehehe
|N.B. Factor into negotiation things like limited run, postage, conversion rates and language/cultural barriers etc, and no matter the planning, bear in mind those things could all change between negotiation and final delivery etc|

3) commissioning sculptor/3D printer - you've got something that is hard to make with off the shelf parts or that's a little 'out there';
you can negotiate with non-union and freelance artists or sculptors via places like 3DPrintHubs, Shapeways or dakkadakka, coolminiornot, leadadventure.de.
These folks usually run things as a hobby, so there's less focus on margins. There's also no guild, no unions and no "middlepeople/gatekeepers something-blockers"... so, its more cost effective and pleasant all around.
They're making a name for themselves, dabble/are retired etc
or want to hone their skills (but, want to avoid any "Infudgement Entanglements")
this can be cost effective, but, for larger quantities, or really 'out there' stuff, other options might be the go.
really rare folks are those who cast minis AND work in clear material.
this will be usually a complete scratch built, one of a kind thing. maybe a couple of parts, or an armature, are 'offtheshelf',
but not the majority of the thing.
Have your photo-ref or mud-map pencil sketches ready from the get-go, and you'll be surprised how quick an answer you can get.

4) commissioning high end sculptor/ 3D printer etc. or custom small arts/fine arts artist
this is approaching folks such as the people who originally 'officially' made x,y,z.
This can be dicey on all sides hehe, and risky, but, the reward is worth it.
For example, folks that missed out on Star Trek Galoob or SW Galoob etc... they commissioned some folks to make even the custom blister packaging etc. Or, those oversized galoob stuff.
approaching Eaves or Okuda for custom artwork, that kinda thing.
So too, in the world of tabletop boardgames etc, do folks commission from Eavy Metal or Milton Bradley etc...
Attempts thus far in SWMinis have been fruitless (though, no concerted effort to make custom miniatures NECA/Heroclix style has to-date been made) -
at this high end, costs are at volume - this requires multiple people to forgo 'beer money' or a kickstarter etc.
It's the most serious end, and the rarest. BigGrin
Pro- the finished product is as close as humanly possible to a production run as can be made.
Con- cost, infudgement redtape,


So... thanks for reading;
to your specific question;
it depends on what route you want to take,
how many friends/folks you can get onboard to share in the awesome (if you've got 15 friends on kickstarter who want to see a run of 6 figures, you might be surprised the level of awesome that could arise).
whether you supply parts etc,
painted or 'raw'
and what budget you're envisaging.

Is Ragnos a ghost who's flying on a 2 x 2 base? or, is Ragnos alive and slashing?
is Tenebrous spewing "Sith Bith" Lightning?

I'm sure you could find an awesome customiser here on Bloomilk;
even if I can't tackle that subject matter,
a whole bunch of custom minimakers are here, and being bloomilk,
you can send an email/bloomail and rest assured in a friendly response. BlooMilk

I should think the cost of 2 custom minis like those, if made
via a cut-n-reposition method, would be comparable to:
14 uncommon minis,
5 or 6 mid rares...
depending on what is negotiable, what they're made from etc.
(that gives a monetary ballpark too BigGrin )

if you were wanting them to be top of the line, or "just-so" to an exacting standard of finish;
Oppo Rancisis for example, was a fine fine miniature made by ExManus Studios
(which I obtained multiple duplicates of, for my Brother Vini Fallout Minis as "Mutant Naga-monks")
worth every cent,
excellent service,
superb communication and feedback/redesign work.
It was a figure I couldn't have made myself, and which I wanted to be EXACTLY like the comicbook version - not the Clone Wars Version.
Similarly,
Yarael Poof was a figure I knew would never see the light of day as an off the shelf mini.
Having tried to make the character myself using a Mr Fantastic/ElasticMan etc... nope, it just wasnt quite right heheh
I knew I had to call in the pro's to get my mind-picture into tangible minis. The jedi council would be complete...
Luckily, ExManus was there again,
after looking around and having similar projects fall through or folks bail on GoofyMonk...
ExManus picked up the pieces,
and made a mini that is true to the source materials provided them -
yup, Yareal is really 9&1/2 ft tall, he's gangly hehehe.

I had to paint these and find lightsaber materials, but
being a customiser somewhat myself,
that was fun! (I was sweating bullets though, incase I made a mistake, it was the masters after all and I only had 1 chance hehe)
painting was straightforward, and to a standard which doesn't look too out of place next to my other customs or
importantly, next to a 'vanilla' SWMini/D&D mini.
the trick? thin paint layers, limited colormatched color palette. and, limit the drybrushing/ink layers.

good luck,
there's plenty of options there,
and hopefully you find a way
to realising those minis you're questing for. BigGrin
Sunderland723
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:19:45 AM
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I will be starting with a set of various sith/sith lords. These will be pricy if people are interested as they will be very high quality and all around well done and unique. The set that is currently being worked on are alive versions of Marka Ragnos. Kylo Ren. Darth Tenebrous. Darth Milennial. Darth Malgus. Each set will contain 5 characters. I am mainly producing them for myself but can mass produce more for those who are interested. Once again these are customs but high quality customs created.
kobayashimaru
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:28:36 AM
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Ah!
I misunderstand the minimalism:
you've got access to a way to make some minis,
and you're "testing the waters" to see what potential demand might be...

did you happen to have images of any existing prior work?
links'd be fine too BigGrin.
those might help folks to find some values there,
and encourage some discussion.

I'd be more interested in:
Jastus Farr,
siri tachi,
Tahl,
Tsui Choi,
Adi Gallia,
Eeth Koth,
Komari Vosa,
Xanatos,
troig jedi,
paaerduag jedi
revwien jedi
ergeshi jedi

not to mention I could make a santa list
of droids
(astro droids, battle droids etc) BigGrin

and, if you made custom vehicles...
I'd be interested in a few things. BigGrin
Sunderland723
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:39:24 AM
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I will have my first character released soon. It will be Darth Millennial. Right when I am 100% happy with him pictures will be posted here before anything. I promise that. I will attempt a new set every 3 months. If it becomes popular there are many characters that can be requested by others such as yourself and I will see what I am capable of.
jak
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 7:52:31 AM
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making customs is more a labor of love than profit
ltcoldfire
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 8:01:40 AM
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My question would be is this legal to be creating and selling star wars miniatures without a license?

I would have to see pictures to say how interested I would be.
jak
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 1:08:19 PM
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don't sell them.....just take donations,Wink like the Vsets
Sunderland723
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:34:20 PM
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Donations are always a possibility. I'm mainly doing them for myself. I will post one at a time through the process of completion and see how interested people are in them and what they would be willing to give for them. I am almost positive many on here will want these in their collection and many online will pay online for the quality of work I am doing. I'll have Darth Millennial completed in a couple weeks and we will go from there.
Sunderland723
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:04:24 AM
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As of right now just to keep you all updated. The price I would be charging for each one of these mini's would be around the 60.00 dollar range. This may seem like a lot but with the high quality material I'm using and the way they turn out I believe many will still see it worth it to have a character not available at this high of quality. To be honest with the fellow miniature fans as well the cost I will spend to make each individual one will be around 35.00 dollars and thats without my labor that has to go into them so realistically it is not that bad. Let me know what you think of this?
kobayashimaru
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:18:16 AM
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@jak
re the first comment of minis being a labor of love/plasticrack addiction: too true, well said BlooMilk
the second comment - until now, the PDFs have been free for the VSET cards,
so, folks have options other than solely obtaining the cards from some other 'authority' -
it's up to the individual to find the best cost-v-benefit proposition to meet their needs. BigGrin

Having obtained a few physical VSet cards myself - the value proposition there is admittedly pretty awesome. BigGrin
Do you make physical custom cards also Jak?

@ItColdFire
good thought-question for the back of mind... yet,
ex-nay on the infudgement-zay, eh? BigGrin
some folks make-a the mini
modifying an out of production boardgame... realistically, where could there ever be any 'pro-f1t" in that? BigGrin
it's a hobby for sure; with resemblances that some sci fi fans can appreciate,
but keeps Mickhittler and the infudgement mousekateers at bay.

Cue Professor Farnsworth on the Futurama episode set on Mars...

@all
the proof some have said, is in the pudding.
seeing is believing, a picture is worth (so I am often told) 1000 words
and the camera always adds 10 pounds.

there's ways of saying things, and ways of saying things.
and there's no harm in asking some questions,

I hope this doesn't dissuade folks from tentatively sharing custom minis
we're in something of a customs drought, so more options are always welcomed. BigGrin

I've said a lot here already (near 2500 words),
so, I'll wait for 2.5 pictures or thereabouts before I write another novella. BigGrin
I'm sure there's a value proposition: where exactly that value resides will be revealed in the fullness of time BigGrin
Sunderland723
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:34:24 AM
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Raw picks are above check them out
jak
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2015 12:55:06 PM
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have you checked out other members customs threads?
some nice work can be done, without spending $25-$35 for the base mini.
Sleuthy
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2015 11:17:29 AM
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Im interested as well. I would be keen on getting some of the minis that are established in the V Sets. Then I would make the "card" based on this mini for my collection and tourney play.
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