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Yaddle gives out her CE:
For the rest of the skirmish, Unique Republic allies with a lightsaber and without Double, Triple, Quadruple, or Twin Attack gain Shien Style, Force Renewal 1, Lightsaber Assault, and Master Speed.
At a later point in the game one of the beneficiaries of that CE gets double or twin or whatever - do they lose Yaddles CE? If they do is it permanent?
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A fine can of worms, this is.
Ponder the minutia and review for intent, I shall.
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I would say that they would not lose it. As it is a one time effect, the core thing is that they do not have Double/Triple/etc. when the CE triggers.
If the character would lose it, the "For the rest of the skirmish" wouldn't be there or the wording would be along the lines of "While this character does not have....".
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I'm no rules guy, but I would like to express my opinion. If the Ability was attained POST set-up, for instance, Shaak Ti sets up 8 squares away from Yoda, Legacy of the Light Side. Shaak Ti would benefit from Yaddle's CE. Then, when or if she would move within 6 Squares of Yoda, She would gain Double Attack and GMA. I don't think she should lose Yaddle's CE, as Yoda's CE is temporary (for the most part) and Yaddle's CE has already triggered. However, the exception to the would be if Mas Amedda is in the squad, making the CE boardwide from set-up. Then that is a PRE set-up issue and Shaak Ti would not gain Yaddle's CE.
Obviously, this is an Epic set up, but it was the only instance I could see this happening.
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I think Yaddles CE would be permanent. However, if someone gains Dbbl from Yoda, part of Yaddles CE specifies no Dbbl, so, when they are influenced by Yoda - no Yaddle.
No Yoda - yes Yaddle
Yes Yoda - no Yaddle
Maybe someone could put that to music?
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juice man wrote:I think Yaddles CE would be permanent. However, if someone gains Dbbl from Yoda, part of Yaddles CE specifies no Dbbl, so, when they are influenced by Yoda - no Yaddle.
No Yoda - yes Yaddle
Yes Yoda - no Yaddle
Maybe someone could put that to music? I would agree with that except for the "Until the end of skirmish" Which, in my interpretation, means you can't lose the CE if parameters change. Once again, this would have to be a PRE Set-up Situation
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the Jedi don't start with double. just like a 10 dmg shooter with Talon's CE would still get Twin from a Czerka, even though they are shooting for 20 w/the CE
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also  I think the reason behind both epic Yoda & Yaddle is to make wimpy early Jedi playable, if they can't work together than the whole point is moot. 
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This should not be construed as a ruling, but, as a member of the design team that made her, I can say that the intent was to benefit allies that didn't have those abilities on their cards. The until the end of skirmish language was more aimed at Force Sacrifice, so the squad wouldn't cease to function if she used it.
All that said, I think EmperorDragon's argument makes the most sense. The CE applies to what's on the card at the start of the skirmish. Abilities gained after that point should not affect it.
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UrbanShmi wrote:
All that said, I think EmperorDragon's & jak's argument makes the most sense. The CE applies to what's on the card at the start of the skirmish. Abilities gained after that point should not affect it.
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UrbanShmi wrote:This should not be construed as a ruling, but, as a member of the design team that made her, I can say that the intent was to benefit allies that didn't have those abilities on their cards. The until the end of skirmish language was more aimed at Force Sacrifice, so the squad wouldn't cease to function if she used it.
All that said, I think EmperorDragon's argument makes the most sense. The CE applies to what's on the card at the start of the skirmish. Abilities gained after that point should not affect it. So you can have Mas in the squad, as long as Yodas CE does not reach the characters - at the start of the skirmish - everything is good.
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juice man wrote:So you can have Mas in the squad, as long as Yodas CE does not reach the characters - at the start of the skirmish - everything is good. With Mas though, wouldn't the CE auto reach everyone?
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Caedus wrote:juice man wrote:So you can have Mas in the squad, as long as Yodas CE does not reach the characters - at the start of the skirmish - everything is good. With Mas though, wouldn't the CE auto reach everyone? Not if the doors are closed.
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UrbanShmi wrote:This should not be construed as a ruling, but, as a member of the design team that made her, I can say that the intent was to benefit allies that didn't have those abilities on their cards. The until the end of skirmish language was more aimed at Force Sacrifice, so the squad wouldn't cease to function if she used it.
All that said, I think EmperorDragon's argument makes the most sense. The CE applies to what's on the card at the start of the skirmish. Abilities gained after that point should not affect it. Per intent, this is the ruling.That said, the wording was left a bit loose. Will be added to the FAQ, eventually.
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