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No offense to the epic V-set or the EU pertaining to Boba Fett, but doesn't anyone remember Return of the Jedi? I believe I've seen it,, (let's just say if you can keep count of how many times you've seen it then you haven't seen it enough). I admit I know very little about Boba Fett outside the movies, I know he survives and chases Han n his family around n does Mandalore activities. But with the newest Disney franchised Star wars movies, the EU technically is obsolete, EU was "removed" by Disney so they could write their own "destiny" basically. It doesn't hold any credible value to the "name brand" star wars era anymore, EU is more a fictional fan based fantasy, right? I'm trying to get a friendly discussion on this subject, it does have many topics and points that I would like elaboration on as well as get input about. People should know me a little that as I do recognize v-sets are good for the community I will never use them. So this topic isn't focusing on v-set power that he shouldn't have the SA Resilient but more supporting factors to see which way the scale weighs in what favor. If any SA would accurately fit Boba Fett would it not be Avoid Defeat?
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Good question! A few thoughts: 1) Personally, I hate canon. Don't get me wrong, Rogue One and The Force Awakens are great, but it really burns me that all this great expanded universe stuff got axed, but goof-ball Clone Wars and Rebels got to stay - and DEFINE STAR WARS. But that's another discussion entirely...  2) Even with canon, I think EU should stay in minis. For one thing, it would probably mean scrapping about 95% of the minis so far to keep in line with official canon (I know that's not what you're suggesting). For another thing, there are still many, MANY great EU characters that need minis. 3) Avoid Defeat definitely suits Fett! But going with Resilient instead was probably a design choice. There are many different ways to address the same aspect of a character. For instance, there are many abilities right now that allow a character to survive almost-dying: Avoid Defeat, Escape Death, Lucky Break, Presumed Dead. All of these abilities represent a character who survived a presumed death. But each of them are used in different times depending on the rest of the character. Avoid Defeat and Escape Death are save-based, so characters with bonuses to saves (like Mettle or Survival Expert) probably shouldn't get those abilities but Lucky Break or Presumed Dead. Also, there are some abilities that simply can't be easily represented in minis, and are instead game-based approximations. Like Vaapad-Style and critical hits: Vaapad-Style Fighting allows you to score crits on a 18-20. Critical Hits represent striking the target in the most damaging way possible (i.e. head shot, or core fuel tank on a vehicle, etc). Now, Vaapad in the story has absolutely nothing to do with specifically decapitating someone, but is entirely based on tapping into the Dark Side of the Force to attack faster. SO, Resilient doesn't literally mean that Fett can survive a head-shot with a turbolaser battery, but could in general signify "this person is tough." EDIT: And, Fett does have Escape Death, which is Avoid Defeat with only one save of 11 instead of two. So my entire third point is irrelevant. 
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For what it's worth, v-set design isn't currently strictly following the new canon. There will be new canon stuff like the Resistance pieces and stuff from the new cartoons/movies/books, but there will also still be lots of stuff from the old EU.
Whether that's good or bad is a different topic, but as far as the v-set designers are concerned the old EU is just as valid as the new canon. At least through v-set 15.
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Echo24 wrote:For what it's worth, v-set design isn't currently strictly following the new canon. There will be new canon stuff like the Resistance pieces and stuff from the new cartoons/movies/books, but there will also still be lots of stuff from the old EU.
Whether that's good or bad is a different topic, but as far as the v-set designers are concerned the old EU is just as valid as the new canon. At least through v-set 15. +1. And hopefully beyond. With the influx of new material we'll have a lot to choose from, but I hope to mix some old stuff in as well. I know we did in vset 14. A nice mix
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Very good points especially on the clone wars show. It's canon for the cash flow I assume roping hyperactive younglings in cuz I can't really stand it. I like the old one with the cartoon art. Idk the exact name. I agree that long live the EU ive read some expanded series with Han solo and I really enjoyed the adventure. As to continue though I do agree for the sake of the game that it is better to have "generic" SA that many could possibly use instead of having to carry a heavy dictionary around with every SA. I dont know too many new SA but it sounds like boba as always has every flavor of himself that's possible. I honestly was reading through the vsets as I rarely do when I saw the epic with resilient. It honestly made me laugh cuz I literally just watched him get boned by han. I agree he is a survivor though I believe he well maybe in the EU he gains more experience and becomes a untouchable sniping god. They should allow Han to bypass boba's resilient if he is adjacent. Then I would be happy 
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Also keep in mind that Epics are their own separate format. They are not allowed in regulation games.
They are essentially (and I sincerely say this without meaning condescension) fanboy designs. Intentionally so.
You're supposed to represent the ultimate "coolness" of each character. Obviously epic Boba does not represent a "died in the sarlaac" version
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I have a different take on Boba "getting boned by Han." It's not that Boba is somehow weak or ineffective, it's showing how incredibly lucky Han is. Here he is, mostly blind, turns (not even a swing) and hits just the right spot on Boba's jet pack launching him, with total surprise, into the side of the barge. Knocking him out.
Sometimes luck is so unpredictable that it overwhelms skill.
Should be a V-Set Han with - Lucky: If you win initiative this character gets +2 (or +4) on all rolls for this round.
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"in my experience, there's no such thing as luck"-Obi to Han 
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Well, if there's no such thing as luck, we could just give him a Force point. Wait...
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"That's not how the force works" Han Solo with bowcaster.
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There is a place for everyone in this game. Some people believe Boba died in the sarlacc pit. Some believe he was 'resilient' enough to escape. There are iterations of Han that will smoke iterations of Boba, and vice versa. What I like is that the WotC design teams as well as the Vset designers addressed many of these differences. The OP prefers not to use Vset stuff. I prefer not to use prequel stuff. Joe likes Vong. Some want to use melee force users. As players and designers I believe we should embrace and support all of this. That's why I designed the piece I did when I won the championship in 2015. It's not something I will likely use myself, as my squads are generally non-melee, non-jedi, but I recognized the need for melee...jedi, specifically... to be relevant in this game. We have enough iterations of the most popular Star Wars characters that surely if you're looking for a specific timeline or view that you can choose a group that fits your view.
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Darth_Jim wrote:There is a place for everyone in this game. Some people believe Boba died in the sarlacc pit. Some believe he was 'resilient' enough to escape. There are iterations of Han that will smoke iterations of Boba, and vice versa. What I like is that the WotC design teams as well as the Vset designers addressed many of these differences. The OP prefers not to use Vset stuff. I prefer not to use prequel stuff. Joe likes Vong. Some want to use melee force users. As players and designers I believe we should embrace and support all of this. That's why I designed the piece I did when I won the championship in 2015. It's not something I will likely use myself, as my squads are generally non-melee, non-jedi, but I recognized the need for melee...jedi, specifically... to be relevant in this game. We have enough iterations of the most popular Star Wars characters that surely if you're looking for a specific timeline or view that you can choose a group that fits your view. Which character did you design? Congrats on the win as well.
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BogaRider wrote:Darth_Jim wrote:There is a place for everyone in this game. Some people believe Boba died in the sarlacc pit. Some believe he was 'resilient' enough to escape. There are iterations of Han that will smoke iterations of Boba, and vice versa. What I like is that the WotC design teams as well as the Vset designers addressed many of these differences. The OP prefers not to use Vset stuff. I prefer not to use prequel stuff. Joe likes Vong. Some want to use melee force users. As players and designers I believe we should embrace and support all of this. That's why I designed the piece I did when I won the championship in 2015. It's not something I will likely use myself, as my squads are generally non-melee, non-jedi, but I recognized the need for melee...jedi, specifically... to be relevant in this game. We have enough iterations of the most popular Star Wars characters that surely if you're looking for a specific timeline or view that you can choose a group that fits your view. Which character did you design? Congrats on the win as well. Thanks. Barada on Desert Skiff.
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