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donnyrides
Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:16:32 PM
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The scenario:
Twin with Lightsaber Flurry OR you could use Sith Blademaster gives an attack to Sith Saber

The Question:
Does the Twin Flurry have 4 attacks at -10 and 4 attacks with standard damage?
Does the Sith Saber get +10 to both attacks from his twin?

I consider twin to be a single instance of an attack. A hierarchy if you will. You can't have a twin without an attack, but you can have an attack without twin. So in my world of crazy thinking, I think of twin happening at the same time under the attack. So the act of using twin resolves simultaneously, not in succession. Since characters are able to react to being hit, the dice rolls have to happen independently, but the ability of twin still triggers as one attack. So if a guy with twin is given an attack from an ally at +10 damage, I add it to both twin strikes.

I see flurry twin as (20 damage)
Attack1 everything inside this attack gets -10 damage
...Twin1
...Twin2
Attack2 everything inside this attack gets -10 damage
...Twin1
...Twin2
Attack3 everything inside this attack gets -10 damage
...Twin1
...Twin2
Attack4 everything inside this attack gets -10 damage
...Twin1
...Twin2
END RESULT= 80 max damage

But there is logic to support

Attack1 gets -10 damage
...Twin not impacted by -10 from Flurry
Attack2 gets -10 damage
...Twin not impacted by -10 from Flurry
Attack3 gets -10 damage
...Twin not impacted by -10 from Flurry
Attack4 gets -10 damage
...Twin not impacted by -10 from Flurry
END RESULT = 120 max damage

Does anybody know which way is correct?
kobayashimaru
Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:31:08 PM
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that is an interesting hypothetical.

I am far from a rules buff or aficionado, though I'll try and share perspective here.

in either approach, where is the "-10DMG" coming from? EDIT:
Lightsaber Flurry Force Power - make 4 Attacks at -10DMG. thanks for that note hehe.
it's from the custom yoda and a few other recent VSet pieces, gotcha.

the only constraints on Flurry Attack I am aware of are;
-can only attack the same target as the first attack,
-cannot stack with itself, IE, Flurry Attack can't trigger on the critical of a twin attack?
though, of a base attack, a flurry attack can trigger, leading to a twin...
(-10DMG was from WotC:SWRPG and SAGA, for flurry in that and in the FFG SWRPG)


so, lets consider the following hypothetical;
if your character has say, flurry, impulsive flurry, triple attack, and twin

attack 1 crits - resolve Flurry, which will twin. net 3 attacks
twin from attack 1. twin attacks cannot trigger flurry, so it is only relevant for the damage (auto hit and double damage or whatever modifiers apply on a crit).
Attack 2 doesn't crit,
resolve twin of attack 2. net 5 attacks at this point.
attack 3 crits - resolve flurry, net 7 attacks,
resolve twin of attack 3.

so, even though you have triple attack, flurry and twin,
it is possible to make more than 6 attacks, if the base attack is a critical.
if all 3 base attacks were criticals, you could make up to 10 attacks.
that's more, if the twin attack can trigger a flurry attack too (which thank goodness it cannot).
the odds of natural criticals 3 in a row are slim though.

Use the Force I think also triggers Flurry Attack.
so, you can potentially do a lot of damage, say 130+dmg in a single flurry spree.
it usually burns through force though, it's like a force-fueled version of Attack X + Twin.

I use different colors of dice to discern which attack is a base attack, and which attack is a twin or a flurry.

I remember this being a thing for a Luke that has flurry and use the force from a while back.
at that time, I think EmperorDragon or Sithbot shared a color coded process flow chart of how they resolved it.

I hope this was of some use,
and I look forward to seeing what other folks think about this hypothetical BigGrin

EDIT:
I think, in light of force power lightsaber flurry granting 4 attacks,
the -10DMG applies to all of those, inclusive of Twins and any Flurry Attacks or things that happen to those.
it'd be after adjusting for a critical doing double damage + modifier.
urbanjedi
Posted: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:33:08 PM
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well we know from AE Princess Leia and her free attack that the +4/+10 only applies on the first part of the twin, not the second.

I am not sure if Penalties are always on or if they are considered like Bonuses and apply to only the first part of the twin.
swinefeld
Posted: Friday, March 31, 2017 5:33:00 PM
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Surprised this hasn't been brought up before. Will review.
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