how were all these people selected to be the people to run the game flying arrow? by the people that designed the first set? then they picked more people, then they picked more people? what was the community involvement in any of that? Are we sure that these are the right people to be picking more people? I mean we know there has been some pretty hard feelings between some of the designers are we sure they aren't leaving out capable people due to that bickering? Are the best candidates black listed because their views and opinions don't match up with the current "leadership group"? I just think the community should have a bigger say then what they do, and I don't understand why anyone would be against that at all. What is the issue with having the community have input?

You all keep saying they are doing a bang up job and stuff without a committee giving direction to which I repeat:

set 6 to set 7
unkarr plutt
go do the numbers on the increase in makashi/parry after mace windu won gencon lol, its incredible. instead of a leadership committee just saying hey he is an issue lets fix him, nope we increased melee hate so much it destroyed melee beats. could have been avoided with a leadership committee
When there are complaints and stuff about pieces hey we have a committee that should have talked about the issue and has a legit reason for it instead of 4-5 different designers/playtesters giving their opinions you could have centralized clear responses.
you would have a committee that could schedule vassal tournaments and try to get more community involvement.
you would see what wasn't receiving playtests (unkarr, pong krell, etc) and step in and either change the piece or even test it themselves to make sure its ok.

all of these would be designed and clear functions of the committee.

I just don't see how people don't see that it would only make things better.

ok flyingarrow, with all due respect, and I am saying with all due respect. Your logic is flawed on almost every level.

"that was a long time ago"
who were those designers? are they not still on the "team"? This ALONE will cause anyone to doubt the effectiveness of the team. THAT SET RUINED THE GAME!! completely. so many people left the game after that, it is not ok to forget this. I love this game. It caused us to completely leave.

"Could have put forth effort" yes, but they didn't.
this ALONE will cause anyone to doubt the effectiveness of the team. That piece ruined a play style. It made many people upset about it. It also clearly defined designer over reach and agenda pushing. that happened last set (not a long time ago).
a group of people that not only do not put forth effort to stop the crap and than do not even play and have to wade in the crap that comes out is a WORTHLESS team in that regard. If they are not doing anything why would we want them to be the only people in charge.
I think what is happening is that everyone sees the problem with designers powers and this is the new idea. that there is a team that could do something.... hahaha. they have done nothing. you said so yourself and I quote "they didn't"

So my question... In this regard, what good are they?

"One person stepping up"
which is awesome, but still under an individual, there is no community behind it. the ties are loose. When it is organized by a committee it always has more buy-in and power. you are part of this community and a member of the community has made a vassal tournament.

This anyone could have done it attitude is flawed from the very foundation. A "it gets done" is 100x better than someone could have done it

Regardless of a leadership group it could be very beneficial for the V-SET team to decide what direction we want to go as a whole. :)

There is no team right now flyingarrow. there is a group of individuals that do lots of awesome things. there is no team because there is no coach or no captain. Do you know what happens to a team that shows up to a game without a coach? they forfeit. do you know what happens to a team without a captain? it does not reach its potential.

I threw out 5 names that I think would be great. 3 of them are on the team you listed as far as I know. I don't know everything or everybody. that 5 might be a different 5. I said I know of 8 people i think would be great. I wish we would leave who is actually on the committee alone until it comes to fruition.
Those 5 I named would be great.

I expect them to do more in their perspective roles.
The leadership team are more like supervisors imo.
They can step in if something needs help.
But mostly, all those jobs will stay the same.
Card design, rules committee, pt committee, fundraising/budget, event coordinator, etc. they will serve almost the same exact function.
You are not taking any authority away from them to do those things. (ADD unless they are doing something wrong or contrary to the growth of the game)
If Caedus and Timmerb are awesome at getting events going and doing fun things on the boards, why would anyone want to take those things away form them? The leadership committee would be there to talk to them, brainstorm with them, offer suggestions, maybe grant some budget there way, help is all they will receive.

Card design, I don't see any problem with card design at all.. it should probably function exactly the same.

Rules committee, I know lots of people who know more rules and understand rules way more than anyone on my personal list. why would leadership committee do anything different?
they might help make lists of abilities or break things down more simply or something like that. but putting someone in charge of those logistical things they can do all those little things that can be so beneficial.
Events coordinator for instance, they can make sure that history is kept on events. Attendance, what events were best, what squads were played, what squads are winning the most, what squads are winning with the best margin of points (3 pt vs 2). and things like that. Keeping stats is important and will help the community understand power levels, etc.

All that will happen is that the things already in place can be expanded when they have someone looking over things with a magnifying glass.

Sorry, I dont want to misrepresent

The leadership committee will put things in place that others need to follow. I just dont see some of those things needing to change that much, but if they did change, I think it would be in collaboration with the people that already know how to do it.

Why do you think that the leadership committee would not get all this stuff done?

Why do you think that people on the "team" right now would feel differently about their role as a rules person if their was a leadership committee?

wow total burn from the cartographer

+1 Truly, heres to 15 more!

Not sure what to think about this thread at all. Out of all the forums I go to, This is the least toxic out of all of them. Someone being negative is nothing compared to toxic environments that plague other websites. Not that I see much in the way of negativity here to begin with. It seems to me most of what you call negativeity is what some like me call feedback. Which when the first Vset came out is what the development team asked for.


Still OP, I hope you get your brother into the game. I know officially this game ended some years back. I still think as a game and of cause the hard work put into it by the community with Vsets, Maps and of cause customization figures still makes this one of the best table-top games there is.