So, the card text on Blaster Upgrade says this

Allies within 6 squares with nonmelee attacks that deal exactly 20 Damage gain jolt

It does not say they can not have the Melee attack ability, just that it only works on Non Melee attacks. If I use Lightsaber Throw, which is a non Melee attack, with a Force User who has Melee attack printed on his card, will I get Jolt when I use a ranged attack, that counts as a ranged attack?

Telekinetic Combat also falls under this question.

glossary says printed damage of 10/20.

i guess you need to know if twin blaster counts as printed damage or if it is only talking about the "official" stat line.

Have the rules guys quit Minis now also?

I think I have something that I scraped from the WotC forums about LS Throw.
I'll try to find it. It may not change the answer already given, I don't recall the details.

lightsaber throw jolt attacks for the win!!

So wait, I am still a bit confused......

Does it, or does it not work?

Thanks. I'll take a look when I get a chance.

I'd say you could do it on throw only. If you can evade it then...

I'm working may way through every instance I can find of these types of abilities, as well as related stuff.



"For now allow it". It's (much) later, and the question remains, so I guess I get to sort it out.

Although I'm not so sure it is directly relevant to the specific question of LS Throw and Jolt, I will note that per the FAQ, "combined fire" restrictions do not consider only the presence of Melee Attack (SA), but include 'melee attacks'. The clarification was in relation to Poisoned Blade. So this Nickname post I quoted predates that FAQ addition. (or he forgot about it)

Outside of combined fire, which its own thing in game mechanics, there is definitely a difference between 'with/without Melee Attack' (SA) and 'with melee/nonmelee' attacks. There has to be.

I'll be back. Thinking on this has raised other questions I need to look into.

Returning to this:

What matters is the type of attack you're using when the other (ie Czerka etc) ability would be used. You can't combine fire on a 'melee' attack, period. That is in the FAQ. General Grievous DAC may have Blaster 20 (replaces attacks, make a nonmelee attack) but he does not get Jolt from Czerka on his normal attacks just because he 'has' a nonmelee attack he could've used instead, but didn't.

If you are reading this and also have read Deri's recent comments in the 2.0 'Reboot' thread in the General forum, I agree with him that attacks with lightsabers should count as melee attacks, (poses issues with Throw etc a la Jar Jar kinda issues, but since that got so much treatment, is probably cleaner than what we have now)

But, Blaster/Throw etc absolutely do not count as melee attacks anywhere under the existing rules docs that I've found since Clone Strike. (Clone Wars rulebook is the current official text, + Nickname's doomsday FAQ/errata, and then various subsequent rulings, mostly v-set related)

There is nothing that says you can't combine fire with Aurra Sing (CS) on a lightsaber sweep. Those attacks are nonmelee, as she doesn't have Melee Attack, and nothing else says otherwise. You can't LS Block them, but you can Deflect. You also can't combine fire on a LS Throw if the character has Melee Attack (which most/all would), but all the other stuff should work.

So unless/until we as a community go forth and commit to a reboot/cleanup of the rules on stuff like this, I heavily lean to yes, you can get Jolt on a LS Throw.

Leaving open for rebuttal (which is always welcome). This is not a recent issue (other than timing of the OP's question).