|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
OK, so affinity changes faction, right? Is it optional? What about Fringe?
Thinking of Alto Stratus. If I add NU Fringe characters to a sep squad that also qualify for Savage Opress' Affinity (Nightsister Hunters), does that make them separatist, even though as Fringe they could always be in the same squad? If so, and they gain IO, then the Red Hand Syndicate Boss could give them Assassin.
So how does all this mess work?
Next question -
"Chain" affinity circles
If I wanted Darth Maul, Death Watch Overlord to be in a squad with Savage Opress, NS Shaman and Mother Talzin (all the rest Fringe), then could I choose for the squad to be Sith, Sep, Imp or Mando?
Seps is the easiest. Start with Savage, add the others and they all become Seps.
Sith - start with Maul, add Savage via CE (he stays Sep), through Savage's affinity add the Shaman and Momma T and they become Sith? Or Separatist?
Ditto for Mandos
Imps - Start with Shaman, add in the other 3 and they all become Imperial? What if I wanted to keep Savage Sep (for some weird reason). Could I start with Shaman, add Maul and Momma T, then add Savage via Maul's CE, thus not changing his faction?
My brain hurts
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 9/30/2014
Posts: 345
Location: Wisconsin
|
I have no answers, but I did spend almost two hours building nightsister squads and my brain hurts as well.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
Same. Momma T is insane
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 4/18/2008
Posts: 1,098
Location: Kokomo
|
"Factioned" Character(s) joining through Affinity become the Faction of the character(s) they are joining. It is not optional. Jaq becomes OR or Sith. Savage Opress and Nightsister Mother can be either Imperial or Separatist but not both factions together.
Fringe are Fringe and not a Faction. They do not join, "reguardless of faction."
You need a Sith Witch to bring Asajj Ventress Nightsister into a Sith squad and a Nightsister Mother to bring her into Imperials.
Hope that helps.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 4/18/2008
Posts: 1,098
Location: Kokomo
|
p.s. the squad building puzzle aspect was supposed to be a fun part of her design. Lol
|
|
Rank: Moderator
Groups: Member
, Moderator
Joined: 4/30/2017
Posts: 956
Location: Lower Hutt, New Zealand
|
You can't get Darth Maul, Death Watch Overlord into a Separatist or Imperial squad with any of the Affinities for Nightsisters, since he doesn't get Nightbrother until he legally enters the squad.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 4/20/2015
Posts: 1,244
|
gandalfthegreatestwizard wrote:You can't get Darth Maul, Death Watch Overlord into a Separatist or Imperial squad with any of the Affinities for Nightsisters, since he doesn't get Nightbrother until he legally enters the squad. Yes because some very broken shenanigans would occur.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 4/20/2015
Posts: 1,244
|
Could you imagine Vol, Maul DWO, and Asajj, in the same squad with Battle Ready.
"Sir, you need to wait in your car, because you are out of line."
|
|
Rank: Moderator
Groups: Member
, Moderator
Joined: 1/30/2009
Posts: 6,457
Location: Southern Illinois
|
DarkDracul wrote:"Factioned" Character(s) joining through Affinity become the Faction of the character(s) they are joining. It is not optional. Jaq becomes OR or Sith. Savage Opress and Nightsister Mother can be either Imperial or Separatist but not both factions together.
Fringe are Fringe and not a Faction. They do not join, "reguardless of faction."
You need a Sith Witch to bring Asajj Ventress Nightsister into a Sith squad and a Nightsister Mother to bring her into Imperials.
Hope that helps. Spoken like someone who has carefully read the rule book.   I keep my sig turned off on Gamers most of the time, but this is part of it: Quote:-- Fringe is not a defined "Faction" in the rule book. 'Fluff' presentation does not negate the content. A single FAQ item that refers to a "Fringe faction" does not change that, it was just sloppy wording. In the entire output of WotC, there are zero examples of Affinity that would pick up a WotC Fringe character. That confirms the rule book as far as I'm concerned. WotC did make Mandalorian Conscription, which changes faction of Fringe characters. Proof in the pudding as it were.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
DarkDracul wrote:"Factioned" Character(s) joining through Affinity become the Faction of the character(s) they are joining. It is not optional. Jaq becomes OR or Sith. Savage Opress and Nightsister Mother can be either Imperial or Separatist but not both factions together.
Fringe are Fringe and not a Faction. They do not join, "reguardless of faction."
You need a Sith Witch to bring Asajj Ventress Nightsister into a Sith squad and a Nightsister Mother to bring her into Imperials.
Hope that helps. You left out the CE part (Maul), but I think I get that. Thank you. I think there are still some questions, but I’ll have to think it through.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
gandalfthegreatestwizard wrote:You can't get Darth Maul, Death Watch Overlord into a Separatist or Imperial squad with any of the Affinities for Nightsisters, since he doesn't get Nightbrother until he legally enters the squad. This answers another part of the mess . . . er, puzzle. Still more questions. It’s not all sorted yet. I’ll be back soon
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
I know there was 10 million questions my primary post, but I don’t know if this was clearly answered:
Sith - start with Maul, add Savage via CE (he stays Sep), through Savage's affinity add the Shaman and Momma T and they become Sith? Or Separatist?
It’s a Sith squad, but Savage is NOT Sith (brought in via CE). So he’s Sep, and brings in the NS Shaman via affinity. Does the affinity make her Sith (the squad faction) or Sep (his faction).
I’m assuming Sith, but I can’t explain why with the rules
|
|
Rank: Moderator
Groups: Member
, Moderator
Joined: 1/30/2009
Posts: 6,457
Location: Southern Illinois
|
TimmerB123 wrote:I know there was 10 million questions my primary post, but I don’t know if this was clearly answered:
Sith - start with Maul, add Savage via CE (he stays Sep), through Savage's affinity add the Shaman and Momma T and they become Sith? Or Separatist?
It’s a Sith squad, but Savage is NOT Sith (brought in via CE). So he’s Sep, and brings in the NS Shaman via affinity. Does the affinity make her Sith (the squad faction) or Sep (his faction).
I’m assuming Sith, but I can’t explain why with the rules That's a pretty tough question worth digging futher into, but Sith would seem to be the squad faction. NO RULING HERE YET.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 4/18/2008
Posts: 1,098
Location: Kokomo
|
TimmerB123 wrote:Sith - start with Maul, add Savage via CE (he stays Sep) through Savage's affinity add the Shaman and Momma T and they become Sith? Or Separatist?
It’s a Sith squad, but Savage is NOT Sith (brought in via CE). So he’s Sep, and brings in the NS Shaman via affinity. Does the affinity make her Sith (the squad faction) or Sep (his faction).
I’m assuming Sith, but I can’t explain why with the rules It's the Squad's faction that matters, not the faction of the character. Affinity- "That character's faction is now considered to be the same as that squad's." So if your squad's base faction (Maul Overlord) is Sith, whomever Savage (a Sep) brings in via Affinity become Sith. If your squad's faction (Maul Overlord) is Mando, whomever Savage (a Sep) brings in via Affinity becomes Mando. Savage with Maul Overlord's CE would let you bring in a "Mando" or "Sith;" Asajj Nightsister, Nightsister Shaman, Nightsister Sith Witch, or Nightsister Mother. You cannot bring Fringe characters; Silri, Mighella Nightsister, Nightsister on Rancor, Nightsister Hunters, or Mother Talzin into a squad via Affinity or change them to a new Faction . . . because they are Fringe characters.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
Awesome. I think that clarifies it. Thank you.
I think that might answer all my questions related to this for now.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 7/9/2008
Posts: 4,729
Location: Chicago
|
The funny thing is that all these interactions have been around for years. It just took the power 10 Momma T to make everyone explore these things closely.
|
|
Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member
Groups: Member
Joined: 5/3/2014
Posts: 2,098
|
So I am running a Mother Talzin Sep Squad.
I run Swoop Bike and Savage.
Can I bring in a Sith Maul when I use vehicle?
|
|
Rank: Moderator
Groups: Member
, Moderator
Joined: 5/26/2009
Posts: 8,428
|
I don't see anything that would allow that. The Sith Maul would have to be a Nightsister (Nightbrother) before coming into the squad.
|
|
|
Guest |