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Hey gang,
I was curious about instances when you can and can not choose use the ability "Trigger Defeat", which reads as follows:
Trigger Defeat (Once per turn, whenever a character activates, moves into a square, spends a Force point, or targets a character, this character may immediately attempt a save of 11. On a success, this character is defeated.)
Scenario 1) Supposing Lord Vader has attacked, and then Thrawn swaps in Ree-Yees to Lord Vader's position. Does that swap count as a character having "moved into a square" for the purposes of the ability?
Scenario 2) Using an ability like Force levitate to move Ree-Yees into a square, does he count as having "moved into a square" for the purposes of the ability?
Scenario 3) Supposing Ree-Yees is already in the position you would like to blow him up in, and you would like to do it based on another character's activation, when must you roll for the ability "Trigger Defeat"? Must you announce what you are going to do with said character before rolling for the "Trigger Defeat", or can you make the roll before any decisions are made?
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racanelli89 wrote:Hey gang,
I was curious about instances when you can and can not choose use the ability "Trigger Defeat", which reads as follows:
Trigger Defeat (Once per turn, whenever a character activates, moves into a square, spends a Force point, or targets a character, this character may immediately attempt a save of 11. On a success, this character is defeated.)
Scenario 1) Supposing Lord Vader has attacked, and then Thrawn swaps in Ree-Yees to Lord Vader's position. Does that swap count as a character having "moved into a square" for the purposes of the ability?
Scenario 2) Using an ability like Force levitate to move Ree-Yees into a square, does he count as having "moved into a square" for the purposes of the ability?
Scenario 3) Supposing Ree-Yees is already in the position you would like to blow him up in, and you would like to do it based on another character's activation, when must you roll for the ability "Trigger Defeat"? Must you announce what you are going to do with said character before rolling for the "Trigger Defeat", or can you make the roll before any decisions are made? 1) Swapping is not movement. Both swapping and movement count as "changing positions", but swapping would not count as a trigger for Trigger Defeat. 2) Levitation is movement, so yes. 3) The character is considered activated at the beginning of their turn. Any ability that triggers on activation will occur before the character takes any other action. So you'd make the Trigger Defeat save before you (or your opponent if it's their turn) take the turn of the other character.
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Thanks Arrow. You're the best.
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Actually, one more quick question then Arrow. Suppose that Ree-Yees is next to a character with 60hp left, and that character is also adjacent to one of your jedi with double attack. If the Ree-Yees is successful with his save then the jedi wouldn't have to take double attack, as a single attack would kill. Does that mean that you can decide whether or not to announce your double attack based on the result of Ree-Yees' save?
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You don't have to announce Double Attack until you want to take the second attack. So you can not only wait until after Ree Yees, you can wait to see if your first attack hits.
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I’ve been playing that wrong for many years then...
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You might have it confused with Deadeye and Careful Shot. For those, you have to declare before rolling, because to get the benefit you have to agree to not move. For Double, you don't get the benefit until the second attack. So you can attack once and then decide to either attack again or move.
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