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I really like the 2010 GenCon results - you can find the spreadsheet on swmgamers. It's the champs after the last WOTC set was released, but before the v-sets.
I'm just putting this thread here so I can point to it on some of the discussion in Character Comments. These are all the pieces that featured in squads that had at least an even record in the GenCon 2010 Champs. There were 55 players, and 33 at least broke even. There are some slightly oddball squads in there - I wasn't expecting Clone Strike Yoda or Saesee Tiin, Jedi Master to show up, but they're both in this squad. 55 Yoda 46 Saesee Tiin, Jedi Master 33 Captain Rex 8 Mas Amedda 18 Jar Jar Binks 23 Jarael 5 Rodian Diplomat 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist
There are also a few Lobot reinforcements like the Treadwell Droid and Gamorrean Bodyguard that would have seen play, but weren't in any mainline squads. I assume Garm Bel Iblis was there to access the Ithorian Commander as well.
But anyway, these are the 75 pieces that were part of squads that had a least a 2-2 or 3-3 record at the GenCon Champs 2010. Admiral Ozzel Admiral Yularen Anakin Solo Battle Droid Officer Boba Fett, Mercenary Commander Bothan Noble Caamasi Noble Captain Argyus Captain Panaka Captain Rex Chewbacca, Rebel Hero Darth Sidious Dash Rendar, Renegade Smuggler Elite Rebel Commando Ferus Olin Ganner Rhysode Garm Bel Iblis General Crix Madine General Dodonna General Grievous, Droid Army Commander General Obi-Wan Kenobi General Rieekan General Skywalker General Wedge Antilles General Whorm Loathsom Gha Nachkt Gran Raider Han Solo on Tauntaun Han Solo, Galactic Hero Han Solo, Smuggler Human Bodyguard IG Lancer Droid IG-86 Assassin Droid Imperial Dignitary Jagged Fel Jar Jar Binks Jarael Jedi Weapon Master Juno Eclipse Kyle Katarn, Jedi Battlemaster Kyp Durron Lobot Lord Vader Luke Skywalker and Yoda Luke Skywalker, Hoth Pilot Unleashed Luke Skywalker, Rebel Commando Luke's Landspeeder Mandalorian Captain Mandalorian Gunslinger Mandalorian Quartermaster Mandalorian Scout Mara Jade, Jedi Mas Amedda Mon Mothma Mouse Droid Naboo Soldier Obi-Wan, Jedi Spirit Plo Koon, Jedi Master Princess Leia Queen Amidala R2-D2 Astromech Droid R7 Astromech Droid Rodian Brute Rodian Diplomat Saesee Tiin, Jedi Master San Hill Senate Commando The Dark Woman Thrawn (Mith'raw'nuruodo) Twi'lek Black Sun Vigo Ugnaught Demolitionist Vader's Apprentice Redeemed Yoda Yoda on Kybuck Yuuzhan Vong Ossus Guardian
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Poor Yuuzhan Vong. Looks like they only got in in NR squads...unless someone ran a squad with only Ossus Guardians and did that well.
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Naarkon wrote:Poor Yuuzhan Vong. Looks like they only got in in NR squads...unless someone ran a squad with only Ossus Guardians and did that well. Correct, the Vong were in NR. The Mando squad only went 2-2 before dropping, and there were no Old Republic or Sith. Someone ran a squad with 7 Jedi Battlemasters and 3 Ugnaughts at the French Nationals that year (I think) and did pretty well though. Cad Bane and Arica are both missing too. That squad did really well once Pellaeon came out, and I think it was pretty dominant in Europe in 2010.
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Naarkon wrote:Poor Yuuzhan Vong. Looks like they only got in in NR squads...unless someone ran a squad with only Ossus Guardians and did that well. That was me. It was my first time playing in the Champs and Bill gave me the squad building award for my NR/Vong squad (also featuring Garm Bel Iblis).
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Where did you find this data?
And why don't we have it (complete squads) for more recent GenCons?
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It's somewhere on Gamers - it's much harder to find stuff when the search isn't working. If you PM me your e-mail I can e-mail it to you.
It's easy to find top 8s for other years, but this is the only GenCon where i've seen results for the entire field. It's a good resource, as it's the point where WOTC was complete.
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This was my favorite GenCon.
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Echo24 wrote:This was my favorite GenCon. LOL like this year's was mine. Seriously, your squad that year was as big an influence on my squad building as Imperial Swap.
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This year was my favorite, too. I think I see a trend!
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How did Plo Koon, Jedi Master make this list without any troopers on it? I thought the point of him would've been to run him in a revenge squad with Mon Mothma and cheap troopers.
Is the Naboo Soldier a misprint and it's supposed to be the Alderaan Trooper?
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zorc62 wrote:How did Plo Koon, Jedi Master make this list without any troopers on it? I thought the point of him would've been to run him in a revenge squad with Mon Mothma and cheap troopers.
Is the Naboo Soldier a misprint and it's supposed to be the Alderaan Trooper? I don’t know what the Naboo Soldier was for but I don’t think the Alderaan Trooper has even been on-site at GenCon before and I can say that fairly confidently without ever having gone. Plo Koon is great for deathshots, but he was also popular to run with Yoda on Kybuck and Captain Panaka. He’s a solid fighter and worth having even if you disregard his commander effect. I believe the play was to run Yoda deep into enemy territory (clearing out their weak troopers on the way) and swap him for Plo Koon, who would then drop 70 damage on something important.
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I'm pretty sure Weeks played Plo and Kybuck.
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Does anyone else hate the V Sets? and love running with OG Emperor Palpatine and Nightsisters?
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another word criticizing the V-sets and I'll suspend you until 2053. or 3672, if I'm in a good mood
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gandalfthegreatestwizard wrote:another word criticizing the V-sets and I'll suspend you until 2053. or 3672, if I'm in a good mood You forgot the
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donnie72191 wrote:Does anyone else hate the V Sets? and love running with OG Emperor Palpatine and Nightsisters? The v-sets made the Nightsister Sith Witches playable again - according to the list above they weren't really seeing much action at the end of WOTC.
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donnie72191 wrote:Does anyone else hate the V Sets? and love running with OG Emperor Palpatine and Nightsisters? Wow amazing take…
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Personally, I like the V-Sets more conceptually than in practice. Having been away from the game almost entirely since the end of the WOTC era, 23 new sets is a lot to catch up on, especially since I'm not plugged into an active scene where other people are engaged with the V Sets.
Digging into the data of this list a bit, power creep looks a lot less apparent than I would've expected. Sure, some big early competitive hits were rendered obsolete (e.g. RS Boba, Vader JH, GA Thrawn), a lot of pieces stayed relevant. In fact:
* Every set except Rebel Storm is represented. * Bounty Hunters was the least represented after RS with only one character (Lord Vader). * Dark Times, despite being the second most recent set, tied with Universe for having the fewest represented characters at only two. But since it was a 40-character set, it did better proportionately and tied with ROTS at 5% of its characters being represented. * The most competitive set was Imperial Entanglements, with 9 characters represented (22.5% of the set), followed by Legacy of the Force (9 characters, 15% of the set), Galaxy at War (6 characters, 15%), and Knights of the Old Republic (8 characters, 13%) * The Force Unleashed (7 characters, 12%) was more represented than Masters of the Force (4 characters, 10%) or Jedi Academy (3 characters, 7.5%).
As a player from the WOTC era (albeit not particularly active), it felt to me like there was a massive power spike around The Clone Wars. But breaking this list down by set seems to obscure that - it had only 5 characters represented. I think that's for a few reasons: * It doesn't capture popularity. I'd bet almost every Separatist squad probably played at least one IG-86, and most Republic squads played Yobuck, but e.g. Kyp Durron was probably a less popular choice for NR. * Much of the power creep of the time came from the IG Lancer and GOWK, who weren't in the CW set itself.
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Interesting analytics, zorc, thanks for these details. I also agree with your statement on the perceived power creep spike timeline. I distinctly recall the last few sets feeling like wizards was trying to pull back on power level after the ship had already sailed.
V-Sets can be more overwhelming and a little more complicated than the traditional WOTC stat blocks. While i prefer Wotc's simplicity, I prefer the v-sets for squad diversity. They breathed life into some pieces and squad types that were never viable under WOTC. I also like that they keep bringing in new pieces that wotc didnt get to make. You should check out the Solo mini v-set. I felt that was a slam dunk in terms of design and getting the feel and spirit of the game right.
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