It isn't the greatest, but it is the best right now.

I like the fact that it will speed up gameplay

With the reinforcement clause it stops more fodder from being added. Yes you can still get to a certain act threshold, but you can't add situational fodder now.

It inhibits the round one beatdown

I don't think it was necessarily enough, but it's what we have.

ThrOzzel and Daala do warp the Gen Con Meta. It is a fact. I dont poo poo on those players, you play to win with what is available. That being said, it may be time to ban or at least Restrict gameplay of those squads, in a competitive nature, if we truly want to fix the meta.

Yeah as someone who has been out of the game for a minute, I don't really like this very much. It seems complicated. And as a few above said, this just really seems to hurt unique heavy melee squads disproportionately (Which If I had one complaint about the game lately is that its just that it has become way too complicated.)

Morrigan was most problematic with Thrawn - giving Black and Blue a shooter with unpreventable damage helped them with otherwise bad matchups like GOWK or Sith rocks.

When I won GenCon in 2015, it was entirely about activations. I saw an opportunity in the meta, and when The Hutts won New Zealand's championship with Double Swap, I knew there would be those over here who might try and ride that horse. I reduced my squad to 1 attacker, added Gha Nacht to make all of my mice 2pts, and dropped in Wuher to counter reinforcements. My Thrawn swap outactivated everything all day except Fingersandteeth's Sep squad. Not coincidentally, his was the only squad I lost to all day and I benefitted from a good draw in the playoffs which saw Flying Arrow take out Fingersandteeth in the semifinals, clearing the way for me to my championship.

We needed to address activation control. I'm not sure it was the best option. (Tim's mention of an option where you could only activate unique characters if reducing activations intrigues me and I'd like to see more print as to what the drawbacks to that were.) Regardless, it was something, and I'd like to see how the meta plays out rather than give credence to every prediction. That's not to say those predictions are without merit, its just that this game should continue to move forward rather than be paralyzed with concern as to what COULD happen. I hate Daala squads and I hope they don't make a comeback. But... if they do, maybe seeing them in action in the meta can give designers and balance committee members more information to deal with them.

Like Boris, I've moved on from the game and just dabble occasionally in Vassal tournaments. It doesn't mean I've lost concern for the game's well being. That's my 2 cents.

Been thinking about trying to get back into SWM. This thread made me lol. In order to Increase time, your taking away effects like dodonna. basically just makes Gha nackt mouse droids the best squad. 200 point squads with 20+ activations being the new meta. and i think thats going to make games slower, then the 9 activation dodonna squad. maybe i'm completely off.


But i remember countering Dodonna back in the day. with LONG drawn out squads like http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/99774/this-is-how-to-mando

I see, a lot has changed. Wheres a best place to see all rule changes?

This thread is more confusing now. The 2020 changes are no longer listed, so the first page of conversation doesn't make sense. Have the 2020 changes expired?

Why's that? If a character has been dominating the competitive meta for a long time, even after being changed multiple times, why is it so bad to ban them? A more understandable criticism to me would be that power creep and complexity creep make the Vsets harder to get into for WOTC players.

because we enjoy it? the game isn't less fun because we have a list of balanced maps to use or because we change or ban characters or effects that make squads with them too powerful compared to others. quite the opposite, in fact.


no one claimed that any squad is unbeatable. there are squads that make the game more or less enjoyable, though.