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New thought. As opposed to fixing Tulak more, I propose that Darth Cognus lose doctrine of fear. I'm good to send both to the BC. But I do propose removing doctrine of fear from.her.
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spryguy1981 wrote:New thought. As opposed to fixing Tulak more, I propose that Darth Cognus lose doctrine of fear. I'm good to send both to the BC. But I do propose removing doctrine of fear from.her. Good point Spry. Tulok giving "Distraction" to Cognus, takes away the CE attack rating boosts, making both Cognus and Tulok, extremely hard to hit, and "Doctrine of Fear" makes it much worse. +1.
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Talon Karrde! Fringe needs to be considered a faction. Yes I am a YV player and the fact that Fringe is not considered it's own faction is wackadoodle, IMHO.
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DarthMaim wrote:[quote=spryguy1981]New thought. As opposed to fixing Tulak more, I propose that Darth Cognus lose doctrine of fear. I think that Tulak is the problem here; a 42 point piece shouldn't be as ridiculously tanky as Tulak. Even by himself, he can wreck most 100pt squads due to Sith Reflexes/Teleport. He needs to lose something; I'm just can't decide what.
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Caedus wrote:Talon Karrde! Fringe needs to be considered a faction. Yes I am a YV player and the fact that Fringe is not considered it's own faction is wackadoodle, IMHO. I've supported this in the past and I support it again. However, it was discussed in the past and I think the BC cited a rules reason that Fringe was not a faction. They're a special faction for sure, but I don't see why we can't just let them be a faction too. Yammosk and Gnost Dural should be able to copy Talon's +4/+10 CE, and I'm sure there are other benefits that would come from them being a faction too.
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Laura raised a good point: The NS Hunters could simply have their Plasma Bolt weakened to -2, rather than -4.
By themselves NS Hunters are not a problem. But with Cloaked and a dmg boost and a cannon shot (with the benefit of Accurate shot), the -4 to saves is just too strong. If it were -2 then it wouldn't be quite as oppressive.
Oh, and raise their Cost to 40! lol j/k there.
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thereisnotry wrote:Caedus wrote:Talon Karrde! Fringe needs to be considered a faction. Yes I am a YV player and the fact that Fringe is not considered it's own faction is wackadoodle, IMHO. I've supported this in the past and I support it again. However, it was discussed in the past and I think the BC cited a rules reason that Fringe was not a faction. They're a special faction for sure, but I don't see why we can't just let them be a faction too. Yammosk and Gnost Dural should be able to copy Talon's +4/+10 CE, and I'm sure there are other benefits that would come from them being a faction too. The issue with this is that the part of the CE you're citing is a CONDITION, not a restriction. In order for the CE to apply, all allies must be Fringe. That doesn't change due to the Yanmosk or Gnost Dural. I guess it's confusing, but there's really little that can be done, at least to Talon. It also isn't a balance issue. No one is arguing that the Vong need access to Talon's CE to be effective.
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I think we should remove Soresu style mastery and replace it with Parry. Then he can have a weakness from shooters.
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Caedus wrote:Talon Karrde! Fringe needs to be considered a faction. Yes I am a YV player and the fact that Fringe is not considered it's own faction is wackadoodle, IMHO. I support this too. I understand Laura point about how it doesn't effect the vong coordinator. Regardless, I think it's a needed simplification and dont see the benefit of not clarifying fringe as a faction.
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PLEASE create your own thread if you want to discuss proposed topics or the role of the Balance Committee. This thread is not for debate or discussion. For engaging in conversations, please refer to existing threads or start your own. We want to make sure that player requests don’t get lost in the midst of heated discussions.
+1 to this Also don't forget, the balance committee is NOT the NPE police or the fun police. The goal of the balance committee is to make sure that nothing is dominating the meta or warping the meta to such a degree that it becomes a meta of thing or anti-thing (think of the times when GOWK was running rampant or more recently with Daala) So while the balance committee will look at all issues that are brought up (as we have done every year I have been a part of it), it doesn't necessarily mean anything will change, or possibly the thing that changes won't be what people expect or are talking about.
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Caedus wrote:Talon Karrde! Fringe needs to be considered a faction. Yes I am a YV player and the fact that Fringe is not considered it's own faction is wackadoodle, IMHO. As urbanshmi noted earlier this isn't a BC topic. This is based on the rules. wrote: Telepathic Insight (During setup, after seeing your opponent's squad, you may choose one commander effect. This character gains this commander effect and any faction specific effects become Yuuzhan Vong specific effects.) The part of Talon's CE has that is causing the confusion is a CONDITION not an effect. The Security sentinal droid has a similar CE and it is probably how we would actually word Talon's CE if we were making him today even it seems redundant. So if the Yammosk chose this CE
If your squad contains only Imperial characters, Imperial followers without Diplomat gain Self-Destruct Sequence 10.It would change to If your squad contains only Imperial characters, Yuuzhan Vong followers without Diplomat gain Self-Destruct Sequence 10.Just like Talon, it wouldn't change the condition, it would just change the effect. This is no different really than when people were confused by GOWKs CE not being extendable with Mas and other such things that have come up in the past.
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Darth Cognus is a problematic piece. She makes several characters as highly defended and difficult to kill as Tulak. Even before Tulak (who, in my opinion, is not an issue), she was frequently used as a game-stalling piece. I’ve played in multiple tournaments where her Doctrine of Fear, combined with Dark Aura, Presence of the Dark Side, and other area effects, creates a control zone in gambit, making it nearly impossible for many squad types to secure a 3-point victory within the time limits. While this strategy wasn’t winning, it still cost me a spot in a few final tables.
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