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countrydude82487
Posted: Thursday, June 3, 2010 3:57:49 AM
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Alright i usually understand crits and everything to do with them, but i am having a problem based on what i have read on the Various FAQ's from the Holocron.
1. Does the extra damage from the Chagrian Mercenary commander work against droids if you roll a critical hit? The Complete FAQ on the Holocron
1.5 Same Question with RESILIENT.

MY thinking is that yes it works because at one point in the Faq it says it does, but at the Resilient Questions it asks if droid and resilient do the same thing. and it says that the Chagrian Mercenary Commander doesn't work with them.

ALso on the Same note since the FAQ says that droids are immune to the extra damage but it is still a critical hit, Does that mean that they can be Flurried by a character that can critical on a 19-20 or even 18-20( i know the definition of Flurry says a 20 still counts) ? And by the Same token, Would a character under the influence of Sidious's commander effect get the extra attack from him?

i Know these are complicated, and for those of you who dont want to go to the FAQ here is what is says word for word:

Resilient
Q: Is this immunity the same as for droids where it just prevents doubling of damage, or does it completely nullify the critical hit?
A: It nullifies the critical hit, but does not nullify the number rolled on the die. So damage would not be doubled, and something like the Chagrian Mercenary Commander's commander effect would not trigger, but Disintegration would still occur if a 20 was rolled.


Chagrian Mercenary Commander
Q: I'm not sure how to read the Chagrian Mercenary's commander effect. Does it apply for any follower? If I put him in a squad with Mace Windu or Darth Maul, those characters could deal immense damage with easier rolls for criticals (especially when Maul uses Sith Rage). Was this intended?
A: Yes, this is intentional. When a commander effect applies only to "ordinary" followers, it's qualified in some way. For example, some commander effects might benefit only non-Unique followers, while others might affect only followers without a Force rating. Some commander effects are relevant even when using very powerful characters.

Q: The Chagrian Mercenary Commander's commander effect grants +20 Damage on a critical hit. Is this bonus damage added before or after doubling?
A: Bonus damage is always added after doubling. See the glossary definition of critical hit in the rulebook for more details.

Q: If a character gets a critical hit against a Droid enemy, can he add the +20 Damage from the Chagrian Mercenary Commander's commander effect? It seems that the bonus wouldn't apply because Droids are immune to critical hits.
A: Although Droids are immune to critical hits, this means only that they take the base damage instead of double damage (before applying modifiers). The attack is still considered to be a critical hit, and therefore it gets the bonus damage from the commander effect.

Sithborg
Posted: Thursday, June 3, 2010 4:01:42 AM
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Droid and Resilient are two seperate abilities, and work differently.
Droid ONLY cancels the doubling of damage, all other effects apply. Resilient negates the crit hit as a whole, negating everything that triggers off a crit hit except the auto hit.
Jester007
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2010 6:25:21 AM
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To further answer the question:

The Chargarian Commander's CE will work against Droids and Armored Spacesuit, but does NOT work against Resilient.

As to Flurry Attack, you have to make a natural roll of a 20 against anyone that is immune to (or negating) critical hits. So, let's say you have Luke, Hero of Yavin. He would probably hit Durge, Jedi Hunter with a roll of a 19, but it would not trigger Flurry.

Now take the same Luke with a Chargarian and roll the same 19 against a droid. You would get the extra damage from the CE, but Flurry would still not trigger. Anyways, hope that was somewhat helpful.

Sincerely,
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Sithborg
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2010 6:50:20 AM
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Umm, the Chagrian Merc Commander's CE doesn't work against Armored Space Suit. Everything I have read says that Resilient and Armored Space Suit work exactly the same.
Jester007
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2010 10:57:39 AM
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The glossary definition for Armored Spacesuit only says that the character is immune to critical hits. If that is incorrect, could you please tell me where you got you sources from?

Sincerely,
Jester007
juice man
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2010 12:23:54 PM
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Isn't that the same definition as Resilient ?
I think the sources might be gone. Cursing WOTC.
Sithborg
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2010 1:07:18 PM
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It has the exact same glossary defination as Resilient (as per Nickname, since it wasn't in the rules insert).
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75862/23123657/SWM_Glossary_(Doomsday_Edition)

So, like Electrostaff and Shockstaff, they will work the same because they have the EXACT same wording. If you question it, take it up with Nickname.
Jester007
Posted: Saturday, June 5, 2010 12:46:13 AM
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juice man wrote:
Isn't that the same definition as Resilient ?

The definition of Resilient is that it "negates" critical hits and all bonuses that get added in on a crit with the exception of rolling a natural 20 with Flurry.

@Sithborg: I read the link and didn't see anywhere where it said that Armored Spacesuit "negates" a crit. I will accept the idea of Armored Spacesuit working like Resilient based on they have the same wording in the list that NN made (which is: This character is immune to critical hits. A roll of a natural 20 is still an automatic hit against it). Bear in mind that the first offical ruling of Resilient said that the character just wasn't only immune to crits, but the critical it itself was negated. With the way Armored Spacesuit is worded, it can mislead people to think it works like the Droid SA. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be a smart Cursing here, just simply trying to get clarification. Thanks for the link BTW.

Sincerely,
Jester007
Sithborg
Posted: Saturday, June 5, 2010 7:33:21 AM
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I am aware of that. Trust me, I argued about how Resilient works vs Droid when it first came out with Nickname.
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