looks like a pretty fair deal to me.

I use the prices from abprices.com to get the trade value close. But some people's do not feel that C and UC for R and VR are a good trade no matter what the value of the pieces.

I'd take that trade happily.

The problem is that I offered literally everything I have on his want list lol. And I won't mention names, but I have actually talked a couple people into doing a trade by making comparisons of both sides of the deal. I think it's sort of human nature to automatically think even for half a second the other person is trying to rip you off because they made an offer at all. I basically wanted to get rid of a bunch of my trade box, so I offered all of the things I had that he wanted, where if I was going for a fair trade I would have offered less.
It just really threw me for a loop when he said that all his figures were high-end top figures and that all mine were low-end junk. It's good to see that I'm not the one who is out of touch with the value of these figures in reality. If a person turns down this trade, they must not be able to work out trades very often, unless they are waiting for the right 8-year old to come around to scam. Maybe that's harsh, but the time I offered a guy a good deal and he turned me down with a laugh, that's what happened a fw minutes later.

Definitely a fair offer. I overlooked Luke, HPU the first time. I thought all the rares were $1-$2 rares. I didn't notice you had a high value one in there.

Me, I'd be thrilled to get that trade - assuming of course I needed all those figures. But then I'm looking to round out the collection (or at least as completely as I can), so I'm willing to give up rares for a boatload of commons and uncommons.

Since I'm still pretty new at swapping, here's a question for you guys - how often do you compare prices for A versus B when doing trades? I always feel kind of mercenary when I do, but it seems to make sense. What price list do you use? Are you upfront about it during the trade process? Are you a "to the penny!" person or will just being in the rough ballpark do*?


*presuming of course how much you want the figure in question.

I pretty much only go the money comparison route when someone else throws it at me first. I'd say about 15% of the time it turns out their figures are fabricated or misleading (like giving the price of 5.00 for a figure that isn't in stock, where every place that has it in stock is 10+).

I won't ever consider E-bay prices when considering costs. Just because it is inconsistant and those sellers are usually trying to dump their minis either as sellers or people getting out of the game. I'll pick about three or 4 mini selling sights including the price list on Bloo and make an average which is more fair since most players here are still into playing and want a fair deal. Not all VR's are created equall and so forth. The trade offered is a fair trade. The other trader should have tried to haggle a little instead of saying he was feeling cheated. If he did not like the offer he should have countered or just said no.

That's not what this thread is about; I've already given up on ever trying to trade with this person again. I don’t appreciate being accused by him of ripping him off. If I had offered my Klatoonian Mercenary for his Revan, he’d have some justification, but since he made that accusation when I offered everything on his want list, I was curious to see if I was the one out of line, if general valuations have changed so much. Please don’t act like an expert on motives you know nothing about. IF my offer were considered by many a ripoff in reality I would need to completely rethink what I offer in the future based on general conceptions of fairness. The main purpose was to see if anyone else thought this was a ripoff. Since I know most don’t, I know that my valuations are a lot closer to the average person’s, and that this person is more towards an end of the spectrum.



My point about all minis being on his list was that they were actually ON his list; I didn't just throw things on there. The fact that he wanted them at ALL is what's important. If it is unknown who this person is, how can he/she be embarrassed? (Or why does it matter, since he and I are the only who know?) I suppose if someone really wanted be detective and figure it out, but I have tried hard to maintain his anonymity. BTW, does he look stupid? Do you know anything about him? I don't see why I should feel guilty at since 1. Making him look stupid wasn't my intent and 2. I don't really care if Mr. Totally Anonymous looks stupid.



And sometimes I’ve been unreasonable about what I value things at. Some guy is offering RS Leia Captive at $40, or wants me to trade him a Boba BH for it, It’s quite likely that if he sees how the piece compares to others on the market, he might be more realistic in what he asks for it. Once I was selling a Palps on throne for $30. Somebody (can’t remember who) offered me a lower price ($22 I think), and compared it with sites and ebay auctions. I thanked him for giving me a more realistic view of what I had to offer, and I made the transaction. Since I was told (and agreed) that since it could be gotten for cheaper elsewhere, I had to adapt if I wanted to ever get something for it. While some players value some things more and others some things less, if you’re trading, it IS all about the market. If you have something to trade away, and get a bunch of offers lower than what you originally valued it at, eventually you’ll come to grips that it isn’t as valuable as you thought. Now I understand there are other factors (Maybe Richard Nixon gave you a Rebel Trooper so it’s worth more to you, but for people who have spares and want others’ spares, to not take the market into account won’t get you very far, nor will it help anyone else)

If you compare this to how supermarkets and such accept competitor coupons, you might realize that not everyone (in fact, I’d guess practically no one) knows EXACTLY how much they value their haves and wants at any given time.


It makes me sick too. However, from your point of view, it should be ok, since the market doesn’t matter; the kid likes what he’s getting and so does the person I consider to be a ripoff artist. Both get what they value, right?



I think you’re automatically looking for the worst possible things I might be (but am not) doing in this whole thing, and I think this is no longer (if it ever was) at “no one in particular.”
Like I said at the beginning, I was blown away that I got accused of being a ripoff artist. I wanted to see if most people thought I was ripping him off. I thought it was more than fair (although I had nothing left to offer him, which I said.)

What’s really rude and immature is telling people Gamers doesn’t need their donations because those people asked what exactly their own money is going for. I think maturity would be to realize that not everyone is willing to give to a cause unconditionally, and realizing that some people like to be careful and responsible consumers, who want to make sure THEIR limited resources are being allocated efficiently. I sure hope no one was put off from donating in this way now that it looks we are coming up short on shipping (Australians are great folks, but can’t those guys put a propeller on it and move it closer?) :)



I doubt he’s even seen this thread. He has a lot of my wants, but I’ done dealing with him.
I don’t see how sending one post after the first offer is refused, where in the post rationale for the offer is given, can be considered “badgering.”

I don’t see it as a bad thing to explain to someone your reasoning as to why they might be valuing your miniatures too low or theirs too high IN A TRADING SITUATION. I think knowing what other options there are benefits everyone. There are anomalies. But, for example, if someone is asking $100 or 2 Boba Fett BH’s for their Dannik Jerriko, and someone shows them that there’s no way they could ever get that much for it reasonably, then at least the person now knows his Dannik Jerriko isn’t what he thought, and may end up doing a trade that benefits both.

Maybe I didn’t make a good offer. I and a lot of others think I did. But, if someone expects to get more than general market value (money/playability/collectability) for their miniature, it seems to me like they are just waiting for someone to be able to rip off, unless they don’t know approx. market value. Now, it might be known on both sides where the money/playability/collectiblity stands, and one side knows they are getting a sorer deal in market value, and still do it, for other reasons. But take the (probably) fictional example of the guy who is saving his Nym for someone else’s Boba Fett BH. It’s possible that someone would do that deal, but if once someone knows that nearly all people would give multiple Nym’s for a Boba BH, it would be unreasonable to keep asking. Maybe they get lucky, it happens, but if people be more reasonable about their valuations relative to the valuations of others, more successful trades are likely to take place.

Maybe it’s hard to admit, but giving people information on how their valuations compare to the average person is HELPFUL.


To say there is no market in a trading situation is absurd. If a person is interested in trading for anything by trading away anything, it’d be pretty stupid to base your valuation of a want to a level where you will have a next to 0 chance of finding someone that would give it away at your value, or to value a have where there is virtually no chance of finding someone to give things for your item at your valuation. I suppose I could possibly maybe concede there being no market for those who have choose to ignore reality (Even then they are basing their expectations on what they think or want market value to be)